Progressives that don't scale with denom

slot = Dragon Train

$50 minor at .01 denom


$500 minor at .10 denom


But only $1250 minor instead of $5k at $1 denom


So I'm assuming better and/or more line hits And/or more frequent bonuses at $1 denom to make up for the reduced progressive?

If so, which one of those is more likely?
Or it depends on the slot?

Mystery progressives do not scale with denomination. My guess is that the major bonus is a mystery progressive and the other two bonuses are won when you get a certain combination of symbols. Since the probability of the latter is fixed, the jackpot values have to scale with the denomination to keep things fair. No so for a mystery progressive.

What is the name of the slot? All Aboard by Konami?

The rules for this game imply that the Grand is a mystery jackpot.

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What is the name of the slot? All Aboard by Konami?
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oh sorry.. it's called Dragon Train.
i'll update my OP

This game no longer exists. All units are being removed from casinos. Aristocrat claimed LNW stole it from them. It was the reason that LNW's stock price dropped recently.
https://explore.investors.lnw.com/events-and-presentations/events/event-details/2024/Matt-Wilsons-Statement-on-Dragon-Train-Litigation/default.aspx

Those prizes are not progressives. They are "bonus" or "jackpot" prizes.

Prizes shown on the bonus balls are based on the amount wagered. You will win the minor more often on dollars because the prize is smaller relative to your wager. You would not be any "luckier", but it would appear that you were winning better prizes. You could do the same thing by betting $10 on pennies or whatever the max bet is. Though $10 on pennies is probably 85% RTP while $10 on dollars is probably 92% or 94%.

The actual progressives are probably proportional to wager: if $1 wager is 1/10000 chance of winning major, then $100 is 1/100. The rules will indicate this, but they may write it in a confusing way, like "odds of winning times wager is equivalent for all denoms and bets". So p1*wager1 = p2*wager2 or maybe p1/(1-p1) * wager1 = p2/(1-p2)*wager2, which means that p decreases as wager increases?

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So I'm assuming better and/or more line hits And/or more frequent bonuses at $1 denom to make up for the reduced progressive?

If so, which one of those is more likely?
Or it depends on the slot?
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We had a thread about this a while back. My understanding is that the chances of hitting the progressive are longer at lower denominations. e.g.:

$1: 1 in 1M chance of hitting the jackpot

25¢: 1 in 4M chance of hitting the jackpot

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So I'm assuming better and/or more line hits And/or more frequent bonuses at $1 denom to make up for the reduced progressive?

If so, which one of those is more likely?
Or it depends on the slot?
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We had a thread about this a while back. My understanding is that the chances of hitting the progressive are longer at lower denominations. e.g.:

$1: 1 in 1M chance of hitting the jackpot

25¢: 1 in 4M chance of hitting the jackpot
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That makes sense.
In my OP, the ,01 and .10 denoms have minors that are the same proportion to denom size.
So i assume it's the same x chances to hit.

At $1, the minor is 1/4 smaller in proportion so it should have 4x chances of hitting than at .01 and .10 denoms?

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At $1, the minor is 1/4 the size so it should have 4x chances of hitting?
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1/4 the size of what? 4x chances of hitting vs. what?

My understanding is that you have two choices for a multi denominational progressive:

(1) Each denomination has its own separate progressive jackpot with its own odds.

(2) Each denomination shares the same progressive jackpot, and the more you bet, the better your chances of hitting the jackpot.

I understood that this is not an option:

(3) Vary the progressive jackpot amount according to amount wagered.

...for the reason being that the progressive is built by players' wagers, and the amount contributed by players is a static number, so how could the jackpot vary depending on the denomination? The amount contributed (plus the seed) has to be the progressive amount no matter what the denomination.

So, that "Minor" amount does not look like it's a progressive jackpot, it's just like any other prize awarded on the payline, where the more you wager, the more you get paid when you win. I see that's what @itsmejeff said, above.

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At $1, the minor is 1/4 the size so it should have 4x chances of hitting?
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1/4 the size of what? 4x chances of hitting vs. what?
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Edited my post to say At $1, the minor is 1/4 smaller in proportion so it should have 4x chances of hitting than at .01 and .10 denoms?

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At $1, the minor is 1/4 the size so it should have 4x chances of hitting?
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1/4 the size of what? 4x chances of hitting vs. what?
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Edited my post to say At $1, the minor is 1/4 smaller in proportion so it should have 4x chances of hitting than at .01 and .10 denoms?
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It comes down to bet, not denom. How many times your bet is the prize? Bigger numbers will means it shows up less than small numbers.

I should have looked closer at the pics. If I had, I would have mathed this out before instead of being wrong in execution, though still right in concept. For this one, minbet on pennies is 100 credits ($1 in moneys). Mini is $10 (10x min bet) and minor is $50 (50x min bet). Min bet on dimes is 50 ($5) with mini of $100 (20x bet) and minor of $500 (100x bet). $1 denom is 10 credit min bet ($10) with $250 mini (25x bet) and $1250 minor (125x bet).

Correcting my earlier errors, you would be expected to get the minor more often on the lowest denoms as it is a smaller multiple of amount wagered (cash). The more you bet on any level, the more likely you are to get a bonus prizes to show. If max bet on pennies is $5, then you will see a lot of "mini" as it is only twice your wager. The higher denoms will show a number for 2x wager, which does not change anything as far as what you end up with.

I cannot say definitively because i do not have the math, but I would wager the dull, dirty quarter dollar i found under my desk that the average bonus prize is about the same or exactly the same across denoms as a multiple of the cash wager amount.