MGM and AP

Anyone know anyone that has been impacted or hearing more details on this? Said to have impacted thousands of AP guests no longer receiving comps

www.instagram.com/reel/DAE0TNjSKND/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

I believe this is fabricated. MGM wouldn’t send an email out telling people they weren’t getting offers anymore because they’re advantage players. They’d just cut them off.

Vegaspaulyc is a sleezeball who works with that tweaker Jay Fructose.

TLDR it’s Clickbait

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I believe this is fabricated. MGM wouldn’t send an email out telling people they weren’t getting offers anymore because they’re advantage players. They’d just cut them off.

Vegaspaulyc is a sleezeball who works with that tweaker Jay Fructose.

TLDR it’s Clickbait
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The wording of the notification is very detailed and seems plausible to me.

I received an e-mail from an MGM online casino last year. The told me that my VIP status had been reviewed and that I no longer qualified as a VIP. I had actually been playing very heavily in the weeks prior to this and hit some amazing bonus rounds while playing slots. I certainly was not bounced for lack of play. I still get the low-roller promotional offers, but I stopped getting huge deposit match offers. This had been very lucrative. Interestingly, I still get occasional phone calls and e-mails from a random MGM slot host with smaller offers (less than $200 in EV).

I cannot think of another instance of a casino informing me that they were taking action against me. They normally just cut me off without a word.

Lemme see if I can copy down the names of the slot machines he's referring to as AP-able.
Buffalo Ascension - Golden Link, Buffalo Link
Hexbreaker 3
Ocean Magic
Golden Jungle
Magic Of The Nile

Not machines I've played or even thought about playing, but that's saying nothing.

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Lemme see if I can copy down the names of the slot machines he's referring to as AP-able.
Buffalo Ascension - Golden Link, Buffalo Link
Hexbreaker 3
Ocean Magic
Golden Jungle
Magic Of The Nile

Not machines I've played or even thought about playing, but that's saying nothing.
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They are ap'able especially Golden Jungle.

The others not to my liking but Golden Jungle was disturbing to have on that list

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Lemme see if I can copy down the names of the slot machines he's referring to as AP-able.
Buffalo Ascension - Golden Link, Buffalo Link
Hexbreaker 3
Ocean Magic
Golden Jungle
Magic Of The Nile

Not machines I've played or even thought about playing, but that's saying nothing.
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I have played all of these but Golden Jungle in B&M casinos. He leaves out a lot of progressives and persistent wild games on his list.

When I play online, I usually get my own dedicated game with my own persistent state. For example, Magic Of The Nile starts up with the same -EV configuration on all sites. None of the obelisks have any segments colored. This is a horribly -EV state. Other players on the site do not affect the configuration I see. There is no way to vulture this game online.

There is another post which gives more info about the alleged MGM action:
https://www.instagram.com/casinocompwallet/reel/DAFlLqtxusQ/

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I believe this is fabricated. MGM wouldn’t send an email out telling people they weren’t getting offers anymore because they’re advantage players. They’d just cut them off.

Vegaspaulyc is a sleezeball who works with that tweaker Jay Fructose.

TLDR it’s Clickbait
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The wording of the notification is very detailed and seems plausible to me.

I received an e-mail from an MGM online casino last year. The told me that my VIP status had been reviewed and that I no longer qualified as a VIP. I had actually been playing very heavily in the weeks prior to this and hit some amazing bonus rounds while playing slots. I certainly was not bounced for lack of play. I still get the low-roller promotional offers, but I stopped getting huge deposit match offers. This had been very lucrative. Interestingly, I still get occasional phone calls and e-mails from a random MGM slot host with smaller offers (less than $200 in EV).

I cannot think of another instance of a casino informing me that they were taking action against me. They normally just cut me off without a word.
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All easily fabricated for clicks. Until I see an actual email with a header from MGM I’m not buying it.

Also the wording saying “local freeplay” seems off

I’ve done slot AP in Vegas putting thru millions of dollars in coin in and nothing has happened to my offers.

I just tried googling this and literally no one else is talking about it except this one guy.

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I just tried googling this and literally no one else is talking about it except this one guy.
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https://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/index.php?threads/rumor-mgm-cracking-down-on-slots-ap.210730/

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I just tried googling this and literally no one else is talking about it except this one guy.
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https://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/index.php?threads/rumor-mgm-cracking-down-on-slots-ap.210730/
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LOL I saw that thread, but it still sources back to that one guy.

Pushing machine buttons endlessly is a fate worse than death anyway so I'd think MGM would be doing these people a favor relieving them of that activity.

In any case, finding something where no one knows exactly what you are doing or why you are winning better ensures longevity which is part of why I keep on truckin' at table games.

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Pushing machine buttons endlessly is a fate worse than death anyway so I'd think MGM would be doing these people a favor relieving them of that activity.

In any case, finding something where no one knows exactly what you are doing or why you are winning better ensures longevity which is part of why I keep on truckin' at table games.
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They weren't pushing buttons endlessly. In fact their AP move (vulturing) is mostly not pushing buttons until specific moments.

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Pushing slot buttons endlessly is a fate worse than death anyway so I'd think MGM would be doing these people a favor relieving them of that activity.

In any case, finding something where no one knows exactly what you are doing or why you are winning better ensures longevity which is why I keep on truckin' at table games.
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That's just the thing, I don't think you and most people understand. There's so many different aspects of slot AP, It's way more complicated and nuanced than table.games, there's way more angels, and It's way more intriguing than playing tables.

Most slot player's are not pushing buttons endlessly, they may spend 30 to 200 minutes actually pushing buttons on a play (unless there's a special situation worth a F@$kTon where many hours are super advantageous. The rest of the time they are reaping the benefits, or they are on to the next advantage.

FYI, Slot player's get way better comps and perks than table game's player's when you compare the same total action given.

Oftentimes, slot AP''s are finding things no one else knows about. At least AP slot players can provide proof backed up by math that they have an advantage.

FYI, many advantage players who you think are just slot players actually play much more than just slots, they play anything and everything gambling related which gives them a proven mathematical advantage, and that includes table games.

I don't think there's any standard casino game that I haven't played with an advantage including all the major table games. Slots, keno, roulette, baccarat, BJ, keno, slots, E games, skill games, sports, horses, big 6, craps Pai gow, carnival games, and much much more.

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I don't think there's any standard casino game that I haven't played with an advantage including all the major table games. Slots, keno, roulette, baccarat, BJ, keno, slots, E games, skill games, sports, horses, big 6, craps pigaw, carnival games and much much more.
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Does this claim fall into the same category as 18 yos and an 80% win rate on even money bets?

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I don't think there's any standard casino game that I haven't played with an advantage including all the major table games. Slots, keno, roulette, baccarat, BJ, keno, slots, E games, skill games, sports, horses, big 6, craps pigaw, carnival games and much much more.
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Does this claim fall into the same category as 18 yos and an 80% win rate on even money bets?
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There is nothing remarkable about these claims. Axel doesn't claim he wins every time. He is just saying that he has a quantifiable advantage at certain times playing certain games under the right circumstances. With the right promotion, almost every casino game can be played with a significant advantage.

I have literally played several hundred different slot games with an advantage. That is because many online casino promos are valid only on a specific slot game that the casino is promoting on a given day.

I am often just hitting autoplay on a slot game and then doing something that I find much more interesting than, say, playing ordinary BJ or baccarat. I find those games as much fun as watching paint dry.

The single best promotion I played was keno and was given me by Axel. It only lasted a day but it was stupidly profitable.

Doing it simply to make money aside, hating every moment of it and doing it anyway - that aside, a person who finds slots enjoyable tends to have a "zone out" type personality who isn't moved by the swings of table game play. A true slots player barely blinks at even a jackpot, just plays on.

A person who enjoys table games tends to be the type whose brain chemistry feeds into the ups and downs of the table game - the rising tension as the cards are dealt and the tension released when the outcome of the hand is revealed. Someone who finds this sort of thing boring would tend to be a "zone out" personality.

Casino players tend to be of one or other type of personality.

Every time I sit at a table game my adrenaline starts pumping.

Then inevitably two people plunk down cash and I wait while chips are dispensed and the pitboss checks ratings card and types into computer and I am looking at my watch (cellphone cause I am not paying ten grand for a watch that tells time like my cell phone does)

And then I hear shift change and wait for dealers to swap...

And then I hear the person seated next to me announcing he is out and please color up...

And then I hear pitboss announce the minimum is going up for the table and they need to do a quick chip count.

And by this time I am ready to hang myself out of boredom.

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Every time I sit at a table game my adrenaline starts pumping.

Then inevitably two people plunk down cash and I wait while chips are dispensed and the pitboss checks ratings card and types into computer and I am looking at my watch (cellphone cause I am not paying ten grand for a watch that tells time like my cell phone does)

And then I hear shift change and wait for dealers to swap...

And then I hear the person seated next to me announcing he is out and please color up...

And then I hear pitboss announce the minimum is going up for the table and they need to do a quick chip count.

And by this time I am ready to hang myself out of boredom.
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I love all those moments because it slows the game down. Slow game means I'm losing less money.

Only heard one person talk about this but they were suspecting some of the APs that they are targeting are not the ones that we commonly think about (the ones that vulture and try to get quick wins). The ones they were targeting were the High Coin-in Massive bank roll players who are trying to live off of free play. There are ppl who put so much coin-in across multiple casinos that their monthly offers are enough for them to take any AP plays for the coin-in to maintain FP. Their FP is like crazy high from what i heard and were starting to demand certain comps/privileges. Sounds like they were done dealing with them

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Only heard one person talk about this but they were suspecting some of the APs that they are targeting are not the ones that we commonly think about (the ones that vulture and try to get quick wins). The ones they were targeting were the High Coin-in Massive bank roll players who are trying to live off of free play. There are ppl who put so much coin-in across multiple casinos that their monthly offers are enough for them to take any AP plays for the coin-in to maintain FP. Their FP is like crazy high from what i heard and were starting to demand certain comps/privileges. Sounds like they were done dealing with them
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Until someone posts actual proof and we hear from more than a single person we can safely say this story is completely fabricated.