100xOdds
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July 30th, 2024 at 1:11:14 PM permalink
True RNG can lead to hundreds of bad (or good) spins.

In VP, i don't think the machines are programmed to give you a 'good' hand after x bad hands. It's true RNG.
ie: I've lost $200 quick at 99.7% .25 joker vp ($1.25/spin). i've also hit multiple full houses or better in 10 hands.

Someone on this board mentioned that slots are programed to stop a bad streak and will give you a good hit so you wont stop playing.
(I'm assuming that also works the other way and your good streak is also stopped after a certain point?)

The question is how many bad spins or how much $ lost before the circuit breaker kicks in and gives you some of your $ back in the form of a great hit or good bonus?
Is there an avg?
ie: 300x bet? 500x bet?
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Jul 30, 2024
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DRich
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July 30th, 2024 at 2:20:04 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

True RNG can lead to hundreds of bad (or good) spins.

In VP, i don't think the machines are programmed to give you a 'good' hand after x bad hands. It's true RNG.
ie: I've lost $200 quick at 99.7% .25 joker vp ($1.25/spin). i've also hit multiple full houses or better in 10 hands.

Someone on this board mentioned that slots are programed to stop a bad streak and will give you a good hit so you wont stop playing.
(I'm assuming that also works the other way and your good streak is also stopped after a certain point?)

The question is how many bad spins or how much $ lost before the circuit breaker kicks in and gives you some of your $ back in the form of a great hit or good bonus?
Is there an avg?
ie: 300x bet? 500x bet?
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None of that is true for the regulated jurisdictions. The machines are prevented from basing any decision based on prior results.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
itsmejeff
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July 30th, 2024 at 2:47:23 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

True RNG can lead to hundreds of bad (or good) spins.

In VP, i don't think the machines are programmed to give you a 'good' hand after x bad hands. It's true RNG.
ie: I've lost $200 quick at 99.7% .25 joker vp ($1.25/spin). i've also hit multiple full houses or better in 10 hands.

Someone on this board mentioned that slots are programed to stop a bad streak and will give you a good hit so you wont stop playing.
(I'm assuming that also works the other way and your good streak is also stopped after a certain point?)

The question is how many bad spins or how much $ lost before the circuit breaker kicks in and gives you some of your $ back in the form of a great hit or good bonus?
Is there an avg?
ie: 300x bet? 500x bet?
link to original post


You probably misheard someone discussing "strike breakers" or "ship breakers", which are real, and thought they said "streak beakers", which are not. At least not in the US. England, a place that might not actually exist, has (had?) a thing called "compensated fruit machines" that would adjust probability of wins to actively maintain a target RTP. Past plays would be tracked so that the game could avoid any long runs of players winning too much or too not enough...uh.. much. They are apparently extinct or at least dying.

Long streaks will happen, but still be fairly rare and never actually long unless the hit frequency is really low. Even with 15% hit frequency, I am topping out around 100 losses in a row as max streak over a few million "games."

find max losing streak on simulated sort of game:
let games = 10000000;
let pWin = 0.15;

//hands off
let maxStreak = 0;
let curStreak = 0;

for (i = 0; i < games; i++) {
if (Math.random() < 1 - pWin) {
curStreak++;
} else {
maxStreak = curStreak > maxStreak ? curStreak : maxStreak;
curStreak = 0;
}
}

maxStreak = curStreak > maxStreak ? curStreak : maxStreak;

console.log(maxStreak);
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