100xOdds
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April 22nd, 2023 at 11:42:04 AM permalink

You dont need to be playing it for it to go into this timer mode.
And you can play immediately at this timer mode.
slam the button as fast as you can but it still costs you same $ each spin.

Any advantage or just a gimmick to trick people into thinking it's a special better mode?
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darkoz
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April 22nd, 2023 at 11:43:52 AM permalink
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You dont need to be playing it for it to go into this timer mode.
And you can play immediately at this timer mode.

Any advantage or just a gimmick to trick people into thinking it's a special better mode?
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It has it's uses but basically it's still negative expectation in that mode.
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100xOdds
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April 23rd, 2023 at 6:04:32 AM permalink
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It has it's uses but basically it's still negative expectation in that mode.
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All these free special timer mode games are like that? (ie: Diamond Heist)
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April 23rd, 2023 at 8:44:25 AM permalink
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You dont need to be playing it for it to go into this timer mode.
And you can play immediately at this timer mode.
slam the button as fast as you can but it still costs you same $ each spin.

Any advantage or just a gimmick to trick people into thinking it's a special better mode?
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Back in the day when you found something like this it was a gold mine, normally they didn't last long. When I first saw these machines I did little experimenting playing only during the bonus mode with very mixed results, but overall, a big fat loss. You would think that during a bonus mode, the RTP would have to be higher. That may or may not be true with this machine, but the variance during bonus mode is so high it would be hard to tell without a significant amount of data. I don't know if a par sheet would have that specific information, but that's where I would start. I never got around to looking for one all that hard, and I moved on. If the RTP does change during bonus mode there's obviously some value in certain situations.
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June 6th, 2023 at 8:24:59 PM permalink
Granted I'm new here™ but...if it's still negative expectation then what on earth would be the use?

I've played Gold Hills and some other very similar gem themed game that basically allow this "feature play" on a timer (available maybe every 10 - 20 minutes or so) and in my limited trials the premise seems to be "give the urgent idea that something here is vulture-able, when in fact, it is not."
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June 8th, 2023 at 5:20:47 AM permalink
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Granted I'm new here™ but...if it's still negative expectation then what on earth would be the use?



If its combined with a promotion from the casino, like 10x the points and other to gain a better status than it could be advantageous. I'm not saying i would do this but thats the answer
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June 12th, 2023 at 5:03:22 PM permalink
Can you imagine if slot manufacturers DID create a game that briefly went +EV for limited periods of time on a timer? It would create a whole new class of people whose sole job is to sit on the machine all day long waiting for the +EV mode to activate and then spin as fast as they possibly can until the time expires. And this would mean that the slot machine would genuinely cost the casino money, leading them to inevitably get rid of it! (Unlike regular advantage slot machines, which don't actually cost the casino any money because the slot hustlers are taking money from the other patrons rather than the casino).
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June 13th, 2023 at 4:07:36 AM permalink
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Can you imagine if slot manufacturers DID create a game that briefly went +EV for limited periods of time on a timer?

Yes, I can imagine that and it's actually a thing, well at least it used to be. There's probably something out there somewhere as we speak.

The first one I could remember playing was Double-time slots at the Pioneer and Casino Royal. They watched for guys jumping in and out and would 86 you, so I didn't spend much time doing it. I don't remember how often it came on 1-4 times an hour and probably stayed on for a about minute or so.

There was a Video poker machine made by Sigma(The name of it and its exact details are foggy, I didn't play it often, ) where it had a timer set for about every 15 minutes where the paytable would double for a few seconds. It was worth about $20 an hour. I only remember there being 4 .25 machines, 2 at Riverside and 2 at Palace Station. I didn't play it often since there were better opportunities available. I only knew of a father and his 2 sons who were actually spending time playing it.

Hurricane Zone was a system made by Anchor Gaming. They usually set up IGT machines and arranged the machines in a big circle with machines in the middle. There were only a handful of locations. I believe the first one was at Cirus Circus. Depending on the settings, the machines would go into Hurricane Zone mode(machines flashed, audio of a lightning storm and sirens) every 12-20 minutes where certain pays on the machines would pay to double up to 10x. They adjusted and tweaked the systems. The last one I remember was at The Colorado Bell. It came on exactly every 15 minutes, but you had to hit a minimum of $100 or something like that. I did well on those machines and put a fair amount of time in.

When Mandalay Bay first opened all their machines had Anchor Gaming set up to various different bonus modes, must hits, multipliers, and free credit bonuses, they weren't technically on a timer, it was more based on the coin in/coin out and split up into different sections, so you could get your timing down. I played that every day until they pulled it, it was very lucrative. I can't remember exactly how long that lasted, probably a month or so.

The Pioneer added a version of Anchor Gaming Bonus system as well.

There was a version of Sex In the City that had a timer. I only messed with it a few times. The mission may have written about it.

There have been many others as well(including special casino promotions), some not set up on an exact timer, and you had to slow play to remain active to be eligible, but you could make an educated guess when to start based on the number of players and other factors. The cost was negligible.

NetPay And Globe Shopping at the Bellagio were really good and somewhat predictable. NYN, The IP, and Riviera all had a Huricain zone knockoff called Money Time. The Beau Rivage Had NetPay and a version of The Hurricane Zone. I have probably written more details about NetPay and other games like that, or Mickey Crimm has.
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June 13th, 2023 at 6:35:54 AM permalink
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<snip>There was a Video poker machine made by Sigma(The name of it and its exact details are foggy, I didn't play it often, ) where it had a timer set for about every 15 minutes where the paytable would double for a few seconds. It was worth about $20 an hour. I only remember there being 4 .25 machines, 2 at Riverside and 2 at Palace Station. I didn't play it often since there were better opportunities available. I only knew of a father and his 2 sons who were actually spending time playing it. <snip>link to original post


AxelWolf,

Sigma had a title called Flush Attack that was vulturable: see Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_poker#Sigma_Flush_Attack

Hope this helps!

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June 13th, 2023 at 7:48:52 AM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

<snip>There was a Video poker machine made by Sigma(The name of it and its exact details are foggy, I didn't play it often, ) where it had a timer set for about every 15 minutes where the paytable would double for a few seconds. It was worth about $20 an hour. I only remember there being 4 .25 machines, 2 at Riverside and 2 at Palace Station. I didn't play it often since there were better opportunities available. I only knew of a father and his 2 sons who were actually spending time playing it. <snip>link to original post


AxelWolf,

Sigma had a title called Flush Attack that was vulturable: see Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_poker#Sigma_Flush_Attack

Hope this helps!

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Yes, I know it very well, there were many different games like Flush Attack, it was because of that specific game I quit my job and went full-time AP. I didn't mention it because it really wasn't on a timer. You needed others playing to make flushes, normally 3 max bet (5 coins) flushes before it went into flush attack mode. It was worth between $35-$50 an hour.

That was a very fun enjoyable game to play, it was like playing a competitive video game. You made your own schedule, you could put in as much or as little time as you wished. You could move around from place to place if you wanted, or just find one place with steady action. It was a very popular game and was in many casinos, people absolutely loved it. You really only needed 2 people playing steady to make it worthwhile to play. Circus Circus actually had 3 separate banks at one time.

I meet a lot of interesting people, made life-long friends, and some girls, and had a blast playing that stuff. I can't remember a time I wasn't enjoying playing Flush Attack. Good times, good times.
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June 13th, 2023 at 8:15:52 AM permalink
A good starting estimate would be an advantage of negative 10% to the player. Is there any data or theory to suggest it would be much different than that?
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June 13th, 2023 at 9:58:51 AM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

<snip>There was a Video poker machine made by Sigma(The name of it and its exact details are foggy, I didn't play it often, ) where it had a timer set for about every 15 minutes where the paytable would double for a few seconds. It was worth about $20 an hour. I only remember there being 4 .25 machines, 2 at Riverside and 2 at Palace Station. I didn't play it often since there were better opportunities available. I only knew of a father and his 2 sons who were actually spending time playing it. <snip>link to original post


AxelWolf,

Sigma had a title called Flush Attack that was vulturable: see Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_poker#Sigma_Flush_Attack

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand
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Flush Attack is probably my favorite game of all time. The reason being it was the first machine where I saw a huge advantage and was able to make some decent money on it.
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