are bonus rounds pre calculated

When you spin a slot machine we all know that everything was already known to the slot machine whether you will win or not

But what about a bonus round? Is that included in the already known animation?

Is the round all precalculated to begin with and the chances you thought you had to win different things (by picking different choices or something) in the round were not really possible because its all precalculated to begin with? You pick the "mini" yet you thought you had the chance to win the "grand" but not really?

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When you spin a slot machine we all know that everything was already known to the slot machine whether you will win or not

But what about a bonus round? Is that included in the already known animation?

Is the round all precalculated to begin with and the chances you thought you had to win different things (by picking different choices or something) in the round were not really possible because its all precalculated to begin with? You pick the "mini" yet you thought you had the chance to win the "grand" but not really?
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Some are and some are not. It just depends on the game.

In the scenario where you get to choose items the general rule is if it shows you the prizes for options you did not choose it was a fair pick. If it just shows you the one you picked and not the others it may have been predetermined.

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When you spin a slot machine we all know that everything was already known to the slot machine whether you will win or not

But what about a bonus round? Is that included in the already known animation?

Is the round all precalculated to begin with and the chances you thought you had to win different things (by picking different choices or something) in the round were not really possible because its all precalculated to begin with? You pick the "mini" yet you thought you had the chance to win the "grand" but not really?
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Some are and some are not. It just depends on the game.

In the scenario where you get to choose items the general rule is if it shows you the prizes for options you did not choose it was a fair pick. If it just shows you the one you picked and not the others it may have been predetermined.
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What about wheels … can I make one part of a wheel weighted to come up more often or does my “bag of marbles” have to represent the exact layout of the wheel (for some reason I think in my own mind the wheel that you see is the wheel you get and that’s a legal requirement?)

As in if I have a wheel that contains a half mini jackpots and the rest grand but the mini will come up more often?

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When you spin a slot machine we all know that everything was already known to the slot machine whether you will win or not

But what about a bonus round? Is that included in the already known animation?

Is the round all precalculated to begin with and the chances you thought you had to win different things (by picking different choices or something) in the round were not really possible because its all precalculated to begin with? You pick the "mini" yet you thought you had the chance to win the "grand" but not really?
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Some are and some are not. It just depends on the game.

In the scenario where you get to choose items the general rule is if it shows you the prizes for options you did not choose it was a fair pick. If it just shows you the one you picked and not the others it may have been predetermined.
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What about wheels … can I make one part of a wheel weighted to come up more often or does my “bag of marbles” have to represent the exact layout of the wheel (for some reason I think in my own mind the wheel that you see is the wheel you get and that’s a legal requirement?)

As in if I have a wheel that contains a half mini jackpots and the rest grand but the mini will come up more often?
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I don't ever recall seeing a wheel in Gaming that was not weighted. Picture the Wheel of Fortune game. Clearly the $1000 space does not hit as often as the $25 space.

im very thankful for all the time you take to explain this to all of us and this is CLEARLY the most understandable responses that ive ever seen

There are types of slot machines in which bonus rounds (free spins) have different sets of symbols. Some are more generous, some are more greedy.

The funniest thing is that vulnerabilities were found in some models that allowed them to influence the choice of bonus round bounty. Those. you can forcibly activate the most generous character sets.

One of the clearest examples of controlling your own fate is "21 Gambler". You can choose to try to improve your blackjack total or you can collect based on your current total. It is impossible to get the same total again if you choose to press your luck. You will either improve your score or you will bust and get nothing. Therefore, your choice in the 21 Gambler bonus round always changes your final payout.

Some bonus round choices are 'for entertainment purposes only' so the result is predetermined.

so can anyone tell me about "buy a bonus"?

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so can anyone tell me about "buy a bonus"?
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In White Rabbit, you can buy a bonus round for 100x the stakes. So you have a choice: you could spin for $1 and hope to earn a bonus round OR you can just pay $100 and be guaranteed a bonus. The game will then spin and the three rabbit scatter symbols will always appear and trigger a bonus round. The bonus round appears to play out the same whether it is bought or earned by chance.

After the bonus round starts, you are just a spectator. The results of all bonus round spins and any clocks could be determined right away by an algorithm and RNG or they could be determined in turn as the bonus round plays out. There is no way for an outside observer to tell. My guess is that they are determined right away and the spins are stored in memory in case of a power glitch or online disconnect. Some games will actually backtrack and replay previous spins if you disconnect and reconnect to the server. This is why I suspect the results are predetermined and stored.

Many online games will automatically finish abandoned games after a certain number of hours if you disconnect. I don't know how they handle games with real user choices in the bonus round.

I know of one game where the user has a new choice almost every single stage of the bonus round similar to 21 Gambler. I would hate to have the server make my choices for me on that game.

For live dealer BJ, the online casinos have complex game completion rules because they cannot suspend the game indefinitely if you disconnect and don't come back online right away. Other players are waiting on your action.

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When you spin a slot machine we all know that everything was already known to the slot machine whether you will win or not

But what about a bonus round? Is that included in the already known animation?

Is the round all precalculated to begin with and the chances you thought you had to win different things (by picking different choices or something) in the round were not really possible because its all precalculated to begin with? You pick the "mini" yet you thought you had the chance to win the "grand" but not really?
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Some are and some are not. It just depends on the game.

In the scenario where you get to choose items the general rule is if it shows you the prizes for options you did not choose it was a fair pick. If it just shows you the one you picked and not the others it may have been predetermined.
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Wicked Wheel is a slot that shows but it was discussed in this forum that your prize is predetermined.

In this game, I got the Mini:

The game then showed all the items.

I was going to pick that lower left square because it stood out like a sore thumb.
Anyone know if i had a shot at the Grand in this game?

As I have mentioned before, Blood Suckers bonus round always shows the prizes that are supposedly under the choices that you did not pick. However, it is 100% certain that they move the prizes around for 'entertainment' value. No matter which choice you make first, the three empty choices are never under that first choice. An empty choice ends the bonus round and they apparently want to guarantee that you always get something.

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When you spin a slot machine we all know that everything was already known to the slot machine whether you will win or not

But what about a bonus round? Is that included in the already known animation?

Is the round all precalculated to begin with and the chances you thought you had to win different things (by picking different choices or something) in the round were not really possible because its all precalculated to begin with? You pick the "mini" yet you thought you had the chance to win the "grand" but not really?
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Some are and some are not. It just depends on the game.

In the scenario where you get to choose items the general rule is if it shows you the prizes for options you did not choose it was a fair pick. If it just shows you the one you picked and not the others it may have been predetermined.
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Wicked Wheel is a slot that shows but it was discussed in this forum that your prize is predetermined.

In this game, I got the Mini:

The game then showed all the items.

I was going to pick that lower left square because it stood out like a sore thumb.
Anyone know if i had a shot at the Grand in this game?
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The other versions are also predetermined. There is one where you "pick" and win whatever progressive you land three times You can pick arrows or something to eliminate the lowest remaining progressive up to three times. But this would make the smallest prize the least likely to catch and the next smallest the second least likely and so on for the next smallest but no more because it only has three arrows or somethings.

If the game results do not line up with the math, the bonus is predetermined.

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As I have mentioned before, Blood Suckers bonus round always shows the prizes that are supposedly under the choices that you did not pick. However, it is 100% certain that they move the prizes around for 'entertainment' value. No matter which choice you make first, the three empty choices are never under that first choice. An empty choice ends the bonus round and they apparently want to guarantee that you always get something.
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What you are probably describing is that they can have different values under the picks that change after each pick. The first set of picks probably has no "losers". After you make your pick they choose new values for under the available choices. That is perfectly legal in most regulated jurisdictions.

I am 100% certain that the Wicked Wheel picking feature is pre-determined and the "reveal" is fake. You win far more Minis and Minors than Grands, obviously, and yet there are always equal number of Grands that you supposedly "missed picking".

If you have any doubt, just watch this video. Every time the jackpots are revealed, there's 3 of each jackpot, which makes no sense if it were genuine because it doesn't account for rarity at all.