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The gist of this one is every time the player gets a Buffalo head (as opposed to the whole body) it is banked in a meter. This meter resets at 100 after a bonus is played. If the meter reaches 1,800, then a bonus is automatically played. Obviously, if the game is left close enough to 1,800 then the odds with the player's advantage, with a bonus ripe and ready to hit.
My secret source on this gives the following Play Points, according to the credits bet:
100 credits = 1450
200 credits = 1400
300 credits = 1375
500 credits = 1350
1,000 credits = 1300
As always, please take such Play Points with a grain of salt. I welcome discussion on where you think they should be.
I am working on a page at WoO on Buffalo Link. So far, it just has pictures of the rules screens and the Play Points. I plan to put the rules in my own writing shortly.
The question for the poll is do you play Buffalo Link and what are your thoughts? Multiple votes allowed.
p.s. I should have asked in the poll about what is the plural of Buffalo. I especially welcome Mission's take on that.
Quote: rsactuaryWhenever I see this, all I can think about is why they reset to 100. Why not reset to 0 and have the must hit by at 1700?
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Good point. I've noticed a fear and ignorance of the number zero in general. This is especially evident in how to like to put things on a 1 to 10 scale. Why doesn't the scale start at 0?
Another thing...they're really Bison, not Buffalo. I guess "Bison Link" just doesn't have a good ring to it.Quote: Wizard
p.s. I should have asked in the poll about what is the plural of Buffalo. I especially welcome Mission's take on that.
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Quote: WizardQuote: rsactuaryWhenever I see this, all I can think about is why they reset to 100. Why not reset to 0 and have the must hit by at 1700?
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Good point. I've noticed a fear and ignorance of the number zero in general. This is especially evident in how to like to put things on a 1 to 10 scale. Why doesn't the scale start at 0?
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It's so the casual player who grasps the significance doesn't feel he is the sucker. "Well, it's already at 100 let's see if I hit".
Quote: darkozQuote: WizardQuote: rsactuaryWhenever I see this, all I can think about is why they reset to 100. Why not reset to 0 and have the must hit by at 1700?
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Good point. I've noticed a fear and ignorance of the number zero in general. This is especially evident in how to like to put things on a 1 to 10 scale. Why doesn't the scale start at 0?
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It's so the casual player who grasps the significance doesn't feel he is the sucker. "Well, it's already at 100 let's see if I hit".
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Precisely. You have to bait the hook.
why a lower entry point the higher the bet value?Quote: WizardMy secret source on this gives the following Play Points, according to the credits bet:
100 credits = 1450
200 credits = 1400
300 credits = 1375
500 credits = 1350
1,000 credits = 1300
As always, please take such Play Points with a grain of salt. I welcome discussion on where you think they should be.
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Quote: 100xOddswhy a lower entry point the higher the bet value?
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The more you bet in this game, the higher the RTP. You should be more picky about jumping in at a low bet level, because you'll lose more waiting for a bonus.
However, I think I should have also considered the denom, not just the number of credits bet.
I may reword my advice on this, but it seems reasonable to me there would be a range if you accept the notion the RTP and bet amount are correlated. I have evidence they are, but I'm not at liberty to state what the evidence is.
so if the game is 92% rtp, then that's just the avg of the rtp at the various bet levels?Quote: WizardQuote: 100xOddswhy a lower entry point the higher the bet value?
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The more you bet in this game, the higher the RTP. You should be more picky about jumping in at a low bet level, because you'll lose more waiting for a bonus.
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That also suggests that the highest bet level for that denom is way higher than the avg rtp (ie: 96% if avg is 92?)
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That also suggests that the highest bet level for that denom is way higher than the avg rtp (ie: 96% if avg is 92?)
That would not be a valid assumption.
so 92% is the highest?Quote: DRichQuote: 100xOdds
That also suggests that the highest bet level for that denom is way higher than the avg rtp (ie: 96% if avg is 92?)
That would not be a valid assumption.
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Ie: only at highest bet of that denom?
Quote: 100xOddsso 92% is the highest?Quote: DRichQuote: 100xOdds
That also suggests that the highest bet level for that denom is way higher than the avg rtp (ie: 96% if avg is 92?)
That would not be a valid assumption.
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Ie: only at highest bet of that denom?
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No, it would be an incorrect assumption that the RTP is way higher at a higher denomination. If average is 92% I would be very surprised if the high end was much more than 93.5% and probably not that high.
any other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?Quote: DRichQuote: 100xOddsso 92% is the highest?Quote: DRichQuote: 100xOdds
That also suggests that the highest bet level for that denom is way higher than the avg rtp (ie: 96% if avg is 92?)
That would not be a valid assumption.
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Ie: only at highest bet of that denom?
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No, it would be an incorrect assumption that the RTP is way higher at a higher denomination. If average is 92% I would be very surprised if the high end was much more than 93.5% and probably not that high.
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And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?
Quote: 100xOddsany other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?
And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?
I would assume many do that as some of them I worked on would do that. I don't remember seeing a game configurable by bet amount for the same game. Generally the casino just selects the percentage they want out of the available ones offered by the manufacturer
How about for Must-hits? ie: Thunder CashQuote: DRichQuote: 100xOddsany other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?
And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?
I would assume many do that as some of them I worked on would do that. I don't remember seeing a game configurable by bet amount for the same game. Generally the casino just selects the percentage they want out of the available ones offered by the manufacturer
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$50/spin (10lines x $5 per line) has higher RTP than $10/spin (10lines x $1 per line)?
Quote: DRichQuote: 100xOddsany other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?
And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?
I would assume many do that as some of them I worked on would do that. I don't remember seeing a game configurable by bet amount for the same game. Generally the casino just selects the percentage they want out of the available ones offered by the manufacturer
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I believe some of the older "buy-a-pay" machines enabled the second column of the payglass only at max bet.
edit: I may have had my wires crossed and thought I was in a different thread. Sorry.
Under #5: Eagle is misspelled as eager. I think “rain deer” should be “elk” or else spelled “reindeer.”
Under #6, ampersand code for long dash needs to be fixed between Grand and Progressive.
Quote: WizardHere is my link page on Buffalo Link. I welcome all comments.
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Deactivate my account thanks
Quote: DieterQuote: DRichQuote: 100xOddsany other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?
And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?
I would assume many do that as some of them I worked on would do that. I don't remember seeing a game configurable by bet amount for the same game. Generally the casino just selects the percentage they want out of the available ones offered by the manufacturer
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I believe some of the older "buy-a-pay" machines enabled the second column of the payglass only at max bet.
edit: I may have had my wires crossed and thought I was in a different thread. Sorry.
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Deactivate ban get rid of my account thanks
Quote: SeedvalueQuote: DieterQuote: DRichQuote: 100xOddsany other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?
And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?
I would assume many do that as some of them I worked on would do that. I don't remember seeing a game configurable by bet amount for the same game. Generally the casino just selects the percentage they want out of the available ones offered by the manufacturer
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I believe some of the older "buy-a-pay" machines enabled the second column of the payglass only at max bet.
edit: I may have had my wires crossed and thought I was in a different thread. Sorry.
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Deactivate ban get rid of my account thanks
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As the mods have already explained, deactivation is not an option available to you.
It appears that you are requesting a ban. If I recall correctly, bans by request can be rescinded after a minimum of thirty (30) days by way of contacting Wizard directly. I believe that can be done via the contact form at the bottom of any page.
I'm not an Administrator, but I do have the technical capacity to ban you as a holdover from the fact that it is inseparable from my ability to edit articles...which I do need to be able to do.
You are also requesting a ban and there is the potential that you will decide to spam this request until someone does so. For those reasons, I suppose it would not hurt anything for me to go ahead and ban you, so I will do that.
Sorry to see you go :(Quote: SeedvalueDeactivate my account thanks
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Quote: SeedvalueDeactivate my account thanks
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As Mission has said, if you wish to no longer participate, you can suspend yourself. I interpret your post as requesting that.
A self-suspension can be made for:
A. Any specified period of time of at least 30 days.
B. Indefinite -- This means you may come back upon request via some other means after a minimum of 30 days.
C. Permanent.
If no option is selected, the indefinite suspension is the deafult.
I'm sorry to see you go. You were a good contributor. You're welcome back anytime, after the 30 days.
Although Mission is no longer a moderator, I am fine with him acting on your request and shall let the Suspension List stand as is.
Quote: WizardWe haven't had a new vulturable slot machine thread in a while. The next one I'd like to look at is Buffalo Link.
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The gist of this one is every time the player gets a Buffalo head (as opposed to the whole body) it is banked in a meter. This meter resets at 100 after a bonus is played. If the meter reaches 1,800, then a bonus is automatically played. Obviously, if the game is left close enough to 1,800 then the odds with the player's advantage, with a bonus ripe and ready to hit.
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My secret source on this gives the following Play Points, according to the credits bet:
100 credits = 1450
200 credits = 1400
300 credits = 1375
500 credits = 1350
1,000 credits = 1300
As always, please take such Play Points with a grain of salt. I welcome discussion on where you think they should be.
I am working on a page at WoO on Buffalo Link. So far, it just has pictures of the rules screens and the Play Points. I plan to put the rules in my own writing shortly.
The question for the poll is do you play Buffalo Link and what are your thoughts? Multiple votes allowed.
p.s. I should have asked in the poll about what is the plural of Buffalo. I especially welcome Mission's take on that.
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What about 2500 credits? Been seeing that denomination all over
So I took it a little early than the recommended 1300.
Mistake.
And when I finally got the buffalo link, it was the minimum $10/$20 per buffalo :(
(Kissing $ goodbye)
Quote: rsactuary^ If a progressive is capped, the amount it would have accumulated over cap is added to the next progressive. The progressive increase for each dollar bet is not kept by the casino.
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Ahh I didn’t know that. I mean for Buffalo Link you’ll play it at the good numbers anyway but I’m not sure how I feel about adding it to the next jackpot. Btw I’m still curious about the 25 dollar Buffalo number. I’m assuming 1225 or 1250?
Thanks for the great content!
You said the grand progressive maximum was 20k. How did you find this information? Is it something anyone can look up, or do you just have really good connections?
Also, what is the best way to find the RTP?
Specifically the grand triggering for the player does not actually increase your RTP, since the probability to get it is increasing linearly with the size of your bet. However, since you're more likely to collect these "rare" and "uncommon" panels, and since the panels necessarily add at least 1 unit of value (and the EV of a panel is in fact more than 1 unit), you gain a tiny bit more return. However, it's nothing major, and the difference between the bets is minuscule. Where you really see a big difference is when you change denominations. When you increase denomination, the size of the mini and minor relative to the size of the bet increases. That is, on 1c, the mini is $20, or 20x the minimum bet of $1, and the minor is $100, or 100x the minimum bet of $1. On 25c, the mini is $1,000, or 40x the minimum bet of $25, and the minor is $5,000, or 200x the minimum bet of $25. This change actually leads to a substantial difference in return to player, thus leading me to conclude that playing a "lower number" makes sense when you're playing on a higher denomination, but not really when you're playing a higher credit bet.
Quote: ctslotsI don't think your numbers make much sense. From what I understand of how the game works, the increased RTP of higher credit bets comes from just one source: Your increased probability to collect the grand jackpot. What does this mean exactly and why does it increase the expected return? Well, the way that the game actually awards the grand jackpot to the player is when the player fills the entire screen with 20 panels. The probability that the screen is filled with 20 panels is increased when you increase the bet amount. More specifically, there are two panels that are abnormally rare; one of the panels I call "uncommon", and the other I call "rare". The rare panel almost never triggers, and once you get it and the "uncommon" panel, you have what I call a "fair shot" at winning the grand; that is, every panel remaining has the same chance of triggering as every other normal panel that typically hits in a hold-and-spin feature.
Specifically the grand triggering for the player does not actually increase your RTP, since the probability to get it is increasing linearly with the size of your bet. However, since you're more likely to collect these "rare" and "uncommon" panels, and since the panels necessarily add at least 1 unit of value (and the EV of a panel is in fact more than 1 unit), you gain a tiny bit more return. However, it's nothing major, and the difference between the bets is minuscule. Where you really see a big difference is when you change denominations. When you increase denomination, the size of the mini and minor relative to the size of the bet increases. That is, on 1c, the mini is $20, or 20x the minimum bet of $1, and the minor is $100, or 100x the minimum bet of $1. On 25c, the mini is $1,000, or 40x the minimum bet of $25, and the minor is $5,000, or 200x the minimum bet of $25. This change actually leads to a substantial difference in return to player, thus leading me to conclude that playing a "lower number" makes sense when you're playing on a higher denomination, but not really when you're playing a higher credit bet.
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Close but not quite. For all Aristocrat hold and spin features for their main set of games (Lightning Link, Dragon Link, Dollar Storm, Buffalo Link etc) you are assigned a set of reels when you get a hold and spin feature. The goal is to hit an orb on each reel. But one reel is different from the others. I call them easy reels and then the hard reel. The easy reels for Lightning Link, I have determined to be 9 orbs on a reel of 78. The one hard reel, though, as you indicate, is a reel with one orb on it. The size of the reel is based on bet size, reset amount of the grand jackpot and the amount of each dollar that is allocated to the reset amount of the grand jackpot. It can literally be 10s of thousands of stops big. Most people think that when they get to just one orb left that all of a sudden the window is blank and you don't see orbs scrolling by as the reel is spinning. They think they have no chance to win. They do.. it's just super rare because they've got that hard reel left. But that hard reel is there all the time. If you watch a H&S feature you will see that blank reel right from the start. And it's there every spin until you hit it. Aristocrat is a little tricky in that they move the reels around between spins, so you might see that hard reel in a different spot each spin.
Quote: rsactuaryQuote: ctslotsI don't think your numbers make much sense. From what I understand of how the game works, the increased RTP of higher credit bets comes from just one source: Your increased probability to collect the grand jackpot. What does this mean exactly and why does it increase the expected return? Well, the way that the game actually awards the grand jackpot to the player is when the player fills the entire screen with 20 panels. The probability that the screen is filled with 20 panels is increased when you increase the bet amount. More specifically, there are two panels that are abnormally rare; one of the panels I call "uncommon", and the other I call "rare". The rare panel almost never triggers, and once you get it and the "uncommon" panel, you have what I call a "fair shot" at winning the grand; that is, every panel remaining has the same chance of triggering as every other normal panel that typically hits in a hold-and-spin feature.
Specifically the grand triggering for the player does not actually increase your RTP, since the probability to get it is increasing linearly with the size of your bet. However, since you're more likely to collect these "rare" and "uncommon" panels, and since the panels necessarily add at least 1 unit of value (and the EV of a panel is in fact more than 1 unit), you gain a tiny bit more return. However, it's nothing major, and the difference between the bets is minuscule. Where you really see a big difference is when you change denominations. When you increase denomination, the size of the mini and minor relative to the size of the bet increases. That is, on 1c, the mini is $20, or 20x the minimum bet of $1, and the minor is $100, or 100x the minimum bet of $1. On 25c, the mini is $1,000, or 40x the minimum bet of $25, and the minor is $5,000, or 200x the minimum bet of $25. This change actually leads to a substantial difference in return to player, thus leading me to conclude that playing a "lower number" makes sense when you're playing on a higher denomination, but not really when you're playing a higher credit bet.
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Close but not quite. For all Aristocrat hold and spin features for their main set of games (Lightning Link, Dragon Link, Dollar Storm, Buffalo Link etc) you are assigned a set of reels when you get a hold and spin feature. The goal is to hit an orb on each reel. But one reel is different from the others. I call them easy reels and then the hard reel. The easy reels for Lightning Link, I have determined to be 9 orbs on a reel of 78. The one hard reel, though, as you indicate, is a reel with one orb on it. The size of the reel is based on bet size, reset amount of the grand jackpot and the amount of each dollar that is allocated to the reset amount of the grand jackpot. It can literally be 10s of thousands of stops big. Most people think that when they get to just one orb left that all of a sudden the window is blank and you don't see orbs scrolling by as the reel is spinning. They think they have no chance to win. They do.. it's just super rare because they've got that hard reel left. But that hard reel is there all the time. If you watch a H&S feature you will see that blank reel right from the start. And it's there every spin until you hit it. Aristocrat is a little tricky in that they move the reels around between spins, so you might see that hard reel in a different spot each spin.
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I am almost positive there are two hard reels, with one being substantially harder than the other. The number of times I have been playing various Aristocrat games with hold-and-spin features and seen very clearly that two spots have basically nothing "spinning by" like the other reels is innumerable, however one of those two spots actually hits pretty often.
It has a Super Grand Jackpot in addition to the regular Grand.
and Just like the Grand, you have to fill all the slots in the Super Grand to get it.
But I have no idea what the trigger is for giving you a shot at the Super Grand.
So same #s as Wiz's OP on when to play?
Quote: 100xOddsThere's now a Lightning Buffalo Link:
It has a Super Grand Jackpot in addition to the regular Grand.
and Just like the Grand, you have to fill all the slots in the Super Grand to get it.
But I have no idea what the trigger is for giving you a shot at the Super Grand.
So same #s as Wiz's OP on when to play?
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Super Grand is won by filling in the hold and spin that is triggered within the free spins bonus.
Ahh.. Most of the time it's the Grand during free spins. And once in a while you get the Super Grand but the same long odds of filling the screen.Quote: rsactuaryQuote: 100xOddsThere's now a Lightning Buffalo Link:
It has a Super Grand Jackpot in addition to the regular Grand.
and Just like the Grand, you have to fill all the slots in the Super Grand to get it.
But I have no idea what the trigger is for giving you a shot at the Super Grand.
So same #s as Wiz's OP on when to play?
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Super Grand is won by filling in the hold and spin that is triggered within the free spins bonus.
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I wonder if it's like regular Lightning Link where the Super Grand drops at random during the regular game.
What I’ve noticed is that these games tend to flash higher buffalo $$ in the regular spins as you get to 10-15% of your deposited $$. So, for example, if you put 100$ in to start, and you dwindle down to 25$ and lower, the eight Buffalo bodies that you’re trying to collect start showing much higher values. I thought that the game knows you’re about to run out of money without winning much so it starts enticing you to deposit more keep playing.
I typically play 1 cent 3$ or 5$
2 cents $4 or 6$
5 cents. $5
My other question is…, is each bet multiplier within each denom a separate game? Am I better off picking a denomination and a bet multiplier and sticking to it all the way through or am I better off alternating between the bet multipliers?
200 credits = 1400
300 credits = 1375
500 credits = 1350
1,000 credits = 1300
So instead of bet size, it's the bet denom.Quote: ctslotsI don't think your numbers make much sense.
Where you really see a big difference is when you change denominations.
When you increase denomination, the size of the mini and minor relative to the size of the bet increases. That is, on 1c, the mini is $20, or 20x the minimum bet of $1, and the minor is $100, or 100x the minimum bet of $1. On 25c, the mini is $1,000, or 40x the minimum bet of $25, and the minor is $5,000, or 200x the minimum bet of $25. This change actually leads to a substantial difference in return to player, thus leading me to conclude that playing a "lower number" makes sense when you're playing on a higher denomination, but not really when you're playing a higher credit bet.
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Are there any other determining factors in selecting a machine, besides the major being high?
I’ve seen the major at 900 or 1000 and I’ve played and not hit it after 7-800&. and I’ve seen the major at 517 and played iand hit the major after a few spins.
