Handle popping illegal in Nevada

This is probably outdated questions but I was curious if there was ever Nevada gaming regulations instituted that makes handle popping illegal.

I know it wasn't at one point. So trying to discern if they ever criminalized it.

I googled and nothing pertaining to it's status as illegal popped up

Thanks

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This is probably outdated questions but I was curious if there was ever Nevada gaming regulations instituted that makes handle popping illegal.

I know it wasn't at one point. So trying to discern if they ever criminalized it.

I googled and nothing pertaining to it's status as illegal popped up

Thanks
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It’s illegal in a city called Eureka which might be a St. Louis suburb. Why would you possibly ask this?

I'm assuming you saw this?

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Quote: darkoz

This is probably outdated questions but I was curious if there was ever Nevada gaming regulations instituted that makes handle popping illegal.

I know it wasn't at one point. So trying to discern if they ever criminalized it.

I googled and nothing pertaining to it's status as illegal popped up

Thanks
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It’s illegal in a city called Eureka which might be a St. Louis suburb. Why would you possibly ask this?
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Doing legal research. I came across a landmark court case involving handle popping.

Are you certain it's actually on the books as illegal in St Louis?

Here's the case from memory so maybe I got a few details off but the gist of it is

This guy was handle popping slots. Finding mechanical weakness in the handles so he could pull it a certain way and win more often.

He was charged with a bunch of crimes including manipulation, altering odds mechanically etc.

He was threatened with decades in jail. The DA offered a sweetheart plea to avoid trial. He would plead guilty to mechanical alterations using handle popping and only get five years.

The guy agreed.

Then he does some research and realizes handle popping isn't illegal. Mechanical manipulation is defined as actually changing the elements. (for example card marking or inserting a device into a slot)

Simply taking advantage of a machine that is faulty fell under the same as hole carding.

So he appealed the plea. At the appellate courts his plea was upheld. They strangely ruled that while handle popping was indeed not illegal in Nevada, nonetheless he was offered a sweetheart deal to avoid a long jail term. That had to be honored.

He took it to the supreme court of Nevada

They overruled the lower court.

They kind of really grilled into the lower court. They said it's absolutely ridiculous and not justice for someone to serve five years for a something that's NOT a crime.

They said calling five years in prison for obeying the law is definitely not their definition of a sweetheart deal.

It's now a landmark case as it basically set that you can't put someone in prison for not committing a crime even if the man pled guilty to it.

Anyway the court said it's up to the Nevada gaming commission to make it illegal officially. I looked it up and couldn't find any such alterations.

So was just curious if anyone knew for certain.

While I don't handle pop of course even members on this forum have said one day an overzealous DA might try something so these types of cases have my interest

https://casetext.com/case/lyons-v-state-160

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I'm assuming you saw this?
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Yep you got it lol. Just posted about it above

The handle popping I read about was about people pulling on car doorhandles and then possibly stealing stuff inside the cars!

Can someone please describe to me in simple terms how handle popping works to give you an advantage?

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The handle popping I read about was about people pulling on car doorhandles and then possibly stealing stuff inside the cars!

Can someone please describe to me in simple terms how handle popping works to give you an advantage?
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Some old mechanical slots would malfunction in such a way that slightly jiggling the handle or pulling it slowly or some type of special movement with your arm while pulling it caused the winning combinations.

Again the machines were already like that. So even you or I might accidentally discover we win if we pull slow and let it pop for example (handle popping doesn't mean you actually have to pop it. Just pull the handle a certain way and consistently it doesn't work as it should)

With buttons today and the way slots work I don't think handle popping even exists anymore although I could be wrong

BTW look above for my post about the court case if you skipped over it

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The handle popping I read about was about people pulling on car doorhandles and then possibly stealing stuff inside the cars!

Can someone please describe to me in simple terms how handle popping works to give you an advantage?
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I heard from a lot of old timers that at one point you could influence the mechanical reels of the three-reel type by slowly bringing the handle to a certain point and then pulling it all the way. I don't know if it was real or just another good old days story like dealing to the last card on BJ. They said the casinos added music to the machine so you couldn't hear the clicks properly.

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With buttons today and the way slots work I don't think handle popping even exists anymore although I could be wrong

It does not. Today handles are just connected to an electronic switch so there is no mechanical linkage involved anymore.

all i know is these guys are guilty of DICE CONTROL as well ;-)

https://casetext.com/case/state-v-young-1244

From last night:
I rolled 26 times to win my Don't Pass with odds bet. I blame the machine.

After 10 hours of playing the line with odds, I took my odds off the PL and immediately hit 5 points in a row.

After another person became a Hot Shooter, he lost his turn because he made a line point with a voucher printout for going over $3K. It was then my turn to shoot and I shot another 40+ rolls on top of his 20+ rolls. He had more than a couple dozen vouchers in his hand when my turn ended.

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From last night:
I rolled 26 times to win my Don't Pass with odds bet. I blame the machine.

After 10 hours of playing the line with odds, I took my odds off the PL and immediately hit 5 points in a row.

After another person became a Hot Shooter, he lost his turn because he made a line point with a voucher printout for going over $3K. It was then my turn to shoot and I shot another 40+ rolls on top of his 20+ rolls. He had more than a couple dozen vouchers in his hand when my turn ended.
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While I appreciate the bump on my thread this deserves a Raid on Entebbe.

Hijackers get surprises

Slarb presented surveillance video of 26 different throws executed by Young, Bridges, and their compatriot at table 502. Of the 26 throws presented to the jury, six of the throws appear to represent legitimate throws where the dice tumbled and/or intentionally struck the walls of the craps table, generating a truly random result. Agent Slarb testified that it was a common practice for dice sliders to mix legitimate throws into their pattern to mask their sliding attempts.
https://casetext.com/case/state-v-young-1244

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The handle popping I read about was about people pulling on car doorhandles and then possibly stealing stuff inside the cars!

Can someone please describe to me in simple terms how handle popping works to give you an advantage?
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I heard from a lot of old timers that at one point you could influence the mechanical reels of the three-reel type by slowly bringing the handle to a certain point and then pulling it all the way. I don't know if it was real or just another good old days story like dealing to the last card on BJ. They said the casinos added music to the machine so you couldn't hear the clicks properly.
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Handle poping was before my time. However, It was absolutely real. There was also rhythm playing that was very profitable for the few that could do it.

In 1965, my brother read me this Time Magazine article about manipulating slot machines.

From the article: ...The gambler plays a machine until he gets a high-scoring symbol on the reel farthest to his left. Then, after inserting another coin, he gingerly eases the handle forward until he feels tension, pauses, eases the handle even more gingerly farther down until he hears two clicks, returns handle to its normal position and gives it a sharp, final yank...