Slot Points not adding up

I just checked my rewards points online and it says I only have 1330 tier points and I need 670 points to maintain my 2nd lowest tier status by the end of the year. They reset the tier points every 6 months, so I've got to check my records back from July 1st, but the screen says January 1st for unknown reasons. Thing is 1330 points times $6/point equals near $8K of coin-in, and my records have me putting in $18K coin-in during the same time period. I've said before, my odds bets count on the machine during the session, but those points get lopped off after I remove my card from the bubble craps machine. With my new odds betting system, it's likely over 50% of my coin-in isn't counted because they are odds bets on sessions where I adhere to my strategy. If only $8K out of $18K count, that's 55.56% not being counted. Now I've played some free play VP and those points were minimal compared to my craps sessions, because I quit at 1 session point a few times. I was expecting a mailer this past week but none came. So I checked online to see if something was waiting for me, and nope. I might have a ticket(s) in a few drawings which I never show up for. I've bought a few food items with my points but I was reassured by the desk that the run on my card balance wouldn't affect my tier status, and it appears it hasn't. Am I not getting mailers because my tier balance is below 2,000 points right now? Seems they wouldn't have made a mistake of mailing me mailers during August & September if that were the case. The casino will have new owners imminently, so who knows what happens next anyway.

If I was gonna start my next 6 month period playing VP, I'd need $12K of coin-in to get to 2,000 points. That'd be 9,600 hands at $1.25 per hand. Assuming I lose 10 cents a hand, that'd be near a $1,000 loss just to get those points on a fast track. If I played the craps machine, I'd need $12K of line bets and $15K of odds bets or $27K of coin-in to get to 2,000 points. $12K of line bets times 1.41% equals $169 of HA, so betting bigger on Bubble Craps will get me to 2,000 points cheaper than VP, not counting variance, lol.

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If I was gonna start my next 6 month period playing VP, I'd need $12K of coin-in to get to 2,000 points. That'd be 9,600 hands at $1.25 per hand. Assuming I lose 10 cents a hand, that'd be near a $1,000 loss just to get those points on a fast track. If I played the craps machine, I'd need $12K of line bets and $15K of odds bets or $27K of coin-in to get to 2,000 points. $12K of line bets times 1.41% equals $169 of HA, so betting bigger on Bubble Craps will get me to 2,000 points cheaper than VP, not counting variance, lol.
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Losing 10 cents per hand on a $1.25 bet on VP would mean you are playing the worst VP imaginable. You would lose 2.5c on 9/5 DDB. I get most of my Seven Stars renewal play in on 99.5%+ RTP VP games such as JOB or NSUD.

9,600 hands of VP has barely a 25% chance of hitting a Royal. In the meantime, I'll be losing 10 cents a hand at $1.25/hand.
I've been no-mailed because I'm not playing $3/point slot machines. VP & Bubble Craps are $6/point so they don't get me on the mailer list. I played $3/point video BJ for a couple nights extensively and that got me a tier up and on the mailer list for 3 months. I'll need another 200 points to maintain my tier status by the end of the year for the first 6 months of next year. With Bubble Craps, I'm losing more than half of my points between the machine and the kiosk. So I need like 4 more trips to earn 50 points a night after discount by the end of the year. Hopefully, at some point, I'll get far enough ahead so I'll be earning 500 points a night with higher bets, or 1500 points before the discount, so I can eat out at the food court.

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9,600 hands of VP has barely a 25% chance of hitting a Royal. In the meantime, I'll be losing 10 cents a hand at $1.25/hand.
I've been no-mailed because I'm not playing $3/point slot machines. VP & Bubble Craps are $6/point so they don't get me on the mailer list. I played $3/point video BJ for a couple nights extensively and that got me a tier up and on the mailer list for 3 months. I'll need another 200 points to maintain my tier status by the end of the year for the first 6 months of next year. With Bubble Craps, I'm losing more than half of my points between the machine and the kiosk. So I need like 4 more trips to earn 50 points a night after discount by the end of the year. Hopefully, at some point, I'll get far enough ahead so I'll be earning 500 points a night with higher bets, or 1500 points before the discount, so I can eat out at the food court.
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Yes, but what makes you think that you won't hit one in the first 9,600 hands?

I played 10,000+ hands on the home game and I haven't hit a Royal. I'm down $1,000, hence a 10 cent per hand loss. I prefer 2-3 hour sessions so I can hit quads, because that's how long it takes many times. I think I average 10 hands per minute without breaks.

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I played 10,000+ hands on the home game and I haven't hit a Royal. I'm down $1,000, hence a 10 cent per hand loss. I prefer 2-3 hour sessions so I can hit quads, because that's how long it takes many times. I think I average 10 hands per minute without breaks.link to original post

The Royal is worth les than 2.5c per hand, so your numbers are still wrong even if you somehow think you cannot hit one. Starting out feeling like you are a loser is no way to approach casino play.

I must have a horrible home game, it's not out of the question. But those are the stats I've been given.
In the casino I played $40 free plays at 1 coin per hand, or 160 hands before I start getting session points. Sometimes I lost $25, sometimes I broke even because I hit quads. But I would be down a full quads jackpot before getting back to even on those short sessions. Cashing out $40 per day was the goal, but not every day.

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I played 10,000+ hands on the home game and I haven't hit a Royal.

It sounds to me like you are due.

If I play for 16.67 hours a day for 4 days, I'll complete 40,000 hands. Stuff I save for the high limit room.

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If I play for 16.67 hours a day for 4 days, I'll complete 40,000 hands. Stuff I save for the high limit room.
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You need to work on your speed. 1000 hands per hour is very reasonable on low denom vp that isn't getting regular W2G's.

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I just checked my rewards points online and it says I only have 1330 tier points and I need 670 points to maintain my 2nd lowest tier status by the end of the year.

Out of curiosity, if you have 2000 points and tier status, what does that get you?

Spin poker or 10 play at whatever denomination you normally play will significantly increase your coin in and hands per hour. I've only ever hit royals when playing multi-line games and prefer the higher frequency of making big hands and lower frequency of hitting nothing with every hold. As I understand, the EV for any given pay table doesn't change regardless of how many lines are played - even though spin poker has some strange ways of constructing more than 3 lines. You can bet 5 coins on any number of lines you want to play in spin poker, but with some other multi-line variants unfortunately you can only max bet all available lines.

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I just checked my rewards points online and it says I only have 1330 tier points and I need 670 points to maintain my 2nd lowest tier status by the end of the year.

Out of curiosity, if you have 2000 points and tier status, what does that get you?
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I thought it would get me mailers, and it did. But what are the rules there anyway? A new 6 month period starts mid-year and suddenly my tier points are reset to zero. Does that kick me off the mailing list? My higher tier status continues during the new 6 month period, so I should continue to get mailers. I just have to match the tier status during the 2nd 6 month period to continue it into the 3rd 6 month period. So my sub-2000 tier point status kicks me off the mailing list until I get to 2000+ points? I thought I had an upgrade on my tier status. So now they tell me I'm not playing the $3/point slots and that's why I don't get mailers. I haven't been on the table games yet, so I don't know what I'm missing on those offers if I were to get some. It used to be a table minimum match play when they had $5 tables, not sure what they have now if anything.

If I start winning substantially at some games that don't give points, I'll have to find some slot machine with a $1,000 jackpot and play that to get points. The $1,000 jackpot slot machines are dwindling in supply down to nothing, so maybe I'll just not give much attention to free plays and keep winning on the games I'm winning on.

One slot player had a strategy for winning big on slots. Start with $100, play $1.25 per spin and win to $200 then cash-out. Go to a $1 machine and play 1 coin with a $100 buy-in and win up to $300 then cash-out. Then go to a $5 machine or a $1 x 5 coin machine with $200 and play up to $1,000 then cash-out. He could go on but there must be a part 2 high limit video I missed. I think he liked the Pinball slot or the Double Diamond slot or some such; old-style reel slots, no cartoon slots. I've been watching some slot videos the last few days and I think I need at least 100 spins of buy-in on a slot to have some chance of not going broke. If the slot is $1 per pull, buy-in for $100.

So it gets you “mailers”. What are mailers?

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So it gets you “mailers”. What are mailers?
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Colorful pamphlets about coming slot events and concert acts coming to the casino. It's usually a few pages for the monthly mailers. They also include notices about weekly free play offers to redeem at the kiosk. If I don't get the mailer, I don't get the kiosk offer, unless the mail actually loses the mailer, that doesn't count. In August I was getting weekly mailers about extra $40 free play offers for Friday & Saturday, and a kitchen pot offer for Sundays. I could only drive during daylight hours because of my car accident damage that month, so I just redeemed the free play, had a meal, then left before sunset. I spent about 3 afternoons a week to redeem free play and learn the video poker strategies. I could have won much higher free play with their spin games at the kiosk, but another thread mentioned that I'm likely to get the minimum and not much more.
Other players were lining up at the kiosk to get their free play and the minimum varied, supposedly by tier level. I don't see people lining up to get their free play like before, but there are still a few. I suppose 75% of the August crowd aren't getting mailers now.