Regal Riches

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I have never seen a discussion of this game that alludes to the important features of this game vis a vis the break-even entry points. All I am going to say is that I play it at much lower values for Y/G/P than anything I have seen in print. I see many blue-gem vultures passing up +EV plays.
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So what are those features and what are your numbers?
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How can you build a mathematical model without including the early trigger rate or the payoff function for a given number of gems?
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Excellent point. Expected spins to hit vs expected payoff when it does it. It’s not only the MHB that has value. But there must be more variance in taking it earlier as sometimes it will go to the MHB.

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Excellent point. Expected spins to hit vs expected payoff when it does it. It’s not only the MHB that has value. But there must be more variance in taking it earlier as sometimes it will go to the MHB.
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Every single MHB game has more variance per chase when you start earlier. This isn't unique to RR.

I don't worry much about RR variance. I could calculate the RR variance from my model, but I never did it. Variance seems pretty immaterial to me unless I am playing at $37.50 per spin.

So ... what are the entry numbers for the new version of this game??

There is a version of Regal Riches online that has only two gem meters on top plus the blue meter. It is interesting that this version goes in a different direction. The new top meter must be glacially slow and will really tie you up if you have to go all the way to the end. I have no data on this new version.

I believe the purple and green move much more slowly as well. But I don't have any solid data on this version yet either.

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I believe the purple and green move much more slowly as well. But I don't have any solid data on this version yet either.
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I can confirm they move much slower. But I have no numbers.

Don't play lol. It's a trap for players used to Regal numbers.

I have been thinking about this game lately and I was wondering if maybe I am missing a lot of combination plays on it. If purple starts on 30 and is a play by 56, and the green starts on 40 and is a play by 81, does that mean half of each number is all that's needed to make it profitable? As in play it if purple is at 43 and green is at 61? That's not even taking the gold into account.

Try that one time at min bet and see how that goes for ya. There are combo plays, but I'd be wayyy more cautious than that. There's also more that goes into that than you're taking into account.

Glad to know thanks. Wish you could elaborate more on it!

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I have been thinking about this game lately and I was wondering if maybe I am missing a lot of combination plays on it. If purple starts on 30 and is a play by 56, and the green starts on 40 and is a play by 81, does that mean half of each number is all that's needed to make it profitable? As in play it if purple is at 43 and green is at 61? That's not even taking the gold into account.
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I assume that you are talking about the B&M version of Regal Riches. If you were to make a simple mathematical model of the game and create a formula for EV(P, G, Y) (Y = Gold), the first thing you would note is that the three variable would have different weights. In the simplest first-order approximation, EV = a*(P-Ps) + b*(G-Gs) + c*(Y-Ys) where a, b, and c are different linear coefficients. You could even take blue into account, but B is weighted so heavily that it dominates the EV calculation when B is large.

This simple linear model won't work very well, but it is already better than your suggestion which sets a = b, meaning you weight P and G equally.

More sophisticated modeling will demonstrate that there are many nonlinear interaction between B, P, G, and Y. I think it makes more sense to use Monte Carlo simulation than to try to formulate some nonlinear equations from your understanding of the game.

Here is something to think about. Let us say you have Y=124 and B, P, and G are low. You probably won't make any money off of P and G before Y hits. However, you have a significant chance of B being left in a high state, which means that you have to play more spins after Y hits. This lowers your EV a bit. You will probably leave with P and G low, meaning you won't have to leave much value behind on these meters when you leave.

Contrast this to playing with Y=100. When Y hits, the other meters will essentially be in random states according to their own long term PDF. If they all started low and end up being moderately high, then you have created value for whoever plays next, and this lowers your EV. If they all started out higher than average, then you will probably leave less EV behind for the next player. If P or G are +EV when Y hits, you will play to capture that value and leave the meter at reset. But Y might trigger early on the first spin with some probability, so you have to factor this into your calculations of how the other meters affect the EV of a Y play.

I worked out a set of incremental EV for Y based including the current values of P and G. Depending on my estimate of the RTP of the game, I could then decide if I wanted to play Y. This allowed me to get some decent plays on Y that others would pass up. You have to be really lucky to stumble onto any significant value on P. If you are playing for P, then the values of G and Y rarely shift the entry point.

Even a simple MC model will show that all these B,P,G,Y interactions are asymmetric and highly nonlinear.

Makes a lot of sense thank you for the detailed explanation.

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I have been thinking about this game lately and I was wondering if maybe I am missing a lot of combination plays on it. If purple starts on 30 and is a play by 56, and the green starts on 40 and is a play by 81, does that mean half of each number is all that's needed to make it profitable? As in play it if purple is at 43 and green is at 61? That's not even taking the gold into account.
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56 purple is NOT a play on regal lol. Sure people take it that low but they are long term losers.

I've seen different answers in different places but figured it was best to go with the wizard's advice, no?

wizardofodds.com/games/slots/regal-riches-prosperity-pearl/

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I've seen different answers in different places but figured it was best to go with the wizard's advice, no?

wizardofodds.com/games/slots/regal-riches-prosperity-pearl/
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I wouldn't.

The Wizard says: My short answer is "I don't know."

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I have been thinking about this game lately and I was wondering if maybe I am missing a lot of combination plays on it. If purple starts on 30 and is a play by 56, and the green starts on 40 and is a play by 81, does that mean half of each number is all that's needed to make it profitable? As in play it if purple is at 43 and green is at 61? That's not even taking the gold into account.
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56 purple is NOT a play on regal lol. Sure people take it that low but they are long term losers.
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There would seem to be only a few ways to figure out an entry point:

-- insider information from IGT
-- track the RTP for a very large number of plays starting at different entry points
-- build a model of the game from observations of the game in action
-- check to see what other APs/wannabes do and assume they know something

It seems a lot of APs choose the last option.

A ridiculously large fraction of the RTP comes from B, P, G, and Y wild games. The breakeven entry point for P will depend the level of the other three meters and on the RTP set for that specific machine. Of course, if B is high enough to influence your decision, you will probably just play and reevaluate after B wilds are triggered.

I just finished up a 3 1/2 hour session tonight, at .75 denom. When I saw it, it was

G-92
Green-75
Purple--40


The play is that all three numbers have to add up to 200 before it's approachable, and I see "AP PROS" regularly playing this when it's in the 150s/160s/170s which is a guaranteed loser. Purple pops 4x before green will. Gold pops so infrequently I'd say it's about 20x each purple and probably 4-5 times green. I've hit 9 bonuses in the past 3 days, including 5 tonight. 8 purples, 1 green, maxed out one of each, the rest shakers. Here's what to expect on bonuses

If purple gems are 55 or less, expect a 20 (yes 20) 20x-40x bonus I had a $15.55 bonus. REALLY.
If purple is 55-75 expect 30x-80x bonus

I popped 4 purples tonight, my bonuses were

31--$15
43-$22
51-$30
75-$60


The green I popped was only after I hit purple 3x, and I maxed it out at 101

My green bonus for 101 gems was $135 @ .75 denom

After I popped the 3 purples, and 1 green, I was still stuck $60, but purple was on 68. It ended up costing me another $20ish bucks to max it out at 75. When it was all said and done, I hit 5 bonuses and was stuck $30 after 3 1/2 hours. I'd say that ALL MHB need to be at 70-75%, but you won't ever find one that's distributed evenly. That said, if you happen to walk up on a machine and the purples 60+ and everything else is small, you CAN play but expect to win or lose $20-50. I've played it as low as 175 total for the 3, and purple was on 60+. I've lost $30, won $10, won $15, won $25, so I think it's pretty safe when it's at 60.

When I left the machine, Gold was at 102 ,MHB 125. The insane thing was that even after I popped the purples, my totals were STILL 200+, and I STILL lost $30. The highest combined total I had on the machine before it hit was

G-100
Green--99 (hit at 101)
P-68

That's 265. It was regularly shaking at 220. 265 is the highest I've ever seen a 3 gem machine (and 267 when it hit). They have 5 gems variants, with progressive jackpots that have amber and blue added in, and those are different must hit by's. If you THINK this game is a play at anything less than ALL THREE adding up to 200, or ALL OF THEM AT 70-75% in bonus land, you're insane. Even at 200, I would say it's probably close to not +EV, but I don't have any math behind it, just live play. This week I'm stuck $180 and I've hit 9 bonuses, and the least I played a machine was when it was at 187 (because I had 9 wilds when I started). 3 of my purple bonuses were $20 or less. If I hit one green instead, I'm close to even, if I hit a gold instead, I'm winner.

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SLOT MONKEY LOGIC NOT BASED IN MATH


When the greens get to 88, they really start to dry up. You don't start getting golds, but you do start accumulating a lot of purples. Hence I had 68 purples when green finally maxed at 101. MY SLOT MONKEY LOGIC tells me that you're more than likely going to have to fill the greens in, and NOT catch it with a shaker, and once the purps are up there with it, you're going to have to max out the purps (which is't terrible, you'll actually get a decent bonus). I easily went 20 spins before my wild spins would even activate, and I got paid ZERO on quite a few of them, and I kept getting "FREE GAMES" in a reel to block even a min payout. The green free games continually showed up on the screen from about 88 on, and it was honestly getting annoying. I didn't get any "boom boom hits" as Vegas Matt would say, In other words, I didn't get free games 3x, I maxed out twice and got shakers 3 times. To hit the "free games" on a spin is like winning the lottery. I'll be playing more this week, RR and PP and I'll post reports from there. On my way to a place with 6-8 of those machines tomorrow.

92 yellow, 75 green, 40 purple are TERRIBLE starting numbers. It's not even remotely close to good.

Ditto!!

I’ve heard this 200+ combined starting point elsewhere. Don’t buy in.

Must be much looser machine where he’s playing 😂

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92 yellow, 75 green, 40 purple are TERRIBLE starting numbers. It's not even remotely close to good.
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Ok appreciate that. What's the math behind it.

I'm more of a humanities guy. But it's just based off personal experience. It will take way too long to reach the green or yellow must hit numbers and by that time, you will have bled more money than the bonuses are worth. Your only hope would be to gamble on hitting the green or yellow early via a three bonus trigger event.

I gotcha I don't mind gambling a little, @ 200 for all three with a pack of wilds, you get a lot of play for $20-$50ish. Just can't pop that pesky gold. I went by there today and someone popped the gold but I'm sure it cost them more than they got unless they Johnson'd it. The purples and greens were elevated back.

Watching "AP" players sit and spin off and continuously hit these gems. Saw a Regal Link 5 gem

Gold 172
Green-77
Purple-57
Sapphire-59
Amber-31


Sapp is one away but that's the only one remotely close. And 3-5 min of fast spins later, Sapp popped for $115 and Amber was up to 43. I know these aren't good numbers, but this is at least the 5th time I've seen one of the regulars sit down when ONE gem is 1-3 away, fast spin it, and hit it within a few minutes. Meanwhile I'm spinning off 10 wilds and losing money. Anyone explain this too me?

On my way out, saw a guy playing a 3 REGAL

Gold--72
Green-67
Purple--61

Is this the ill-fated 200 rule? Because that's not going to be a winner if you pop the purple. I'm confused by these plays.

I've learned a lot the last few months, mostly DON'T SPIN 8 WILDS. But yes, I heard about the 200 rule and I watch "AP" players sit and fast spin it off when it's within 5-10 and I can tell you that they're not making any money. The amethyst just doesn't consistently pay more than you put in. I don't play this game unless they're at 80%, (or Regal Link all 4 at 80%). I found a 10 wild today at 5 cent denom, 200 units ($10 spin) and put in $100. Picked up 2 more wilds along the way, spun it 7 times; & hit it for $330 and cashed out. I've spun 9s and one 10 that were losers, but that's just deviation. I'm sure a lot of the others in here have much more experience than I have, and this thread is full of good info.

Keep spinning winners