New Bally Roulette Slot Programming

For many years I have used zero-variance bets on a Bally roulette slot to get the needed coin-in required for player’s points. For instance, 9 red, 9 black, one between 0 and 00. Each spin registers 19 bet, 18 won, and 1 lost, no matter what number the ball lands on. A transaction rather than a gamble. I am hardly alone in using this technique. There is usually a waiting line for the machines towards the end of qualifying periods when bonus multipliers are in effect for player points.

At Mohegan Sun on Friday I boosted Mrs. Chips player’s points enough to qualify for the Ascend card using the technique. On Sunday I tried to add enough play for Mrs. Chips to reach an award level, but the machine would no longer allow zero- and near-zero-variance bets. I gather new software has been installed.

The casino benefits from the change by not allowing players to exchange money for player points at a fixed rate. Previously, a player with limited bankroll needing a specified number of player points would be able to “buy” the points without “gambling.” Now players in such a situation are forced to accept some variance and “gamble.” Some will be lucky and get what they need. Others will fall short, donating their bankroll to the casino but not reaching a level where the casino reciprocates with added benefits. Bummer!

Two of my local casinos banned points from being awarded on their roulette slot machine. Never mind there's a house edge on every bet.

Quote: ChumpChange

Two of my local casinos banned points from being awarded on their roulette slot machine. Never mind there's a house edge on every bet.

are these the digital cabinets?



I met a guy who swore he was beating these machines to the point where he was very sure he had many people watching him and he also claimed they kicked him out at one point i think i have to look at the conversations ive had with him

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and i would like to reminisce because this machine was my first attempt at trying to gain an advantage over the casino

i never pursued anything, but i tried to find patterns, and i also modeled my first roulette app after the layout of this cabinet as well

my first app didnt look anything like the layout at first because it was only supposed to remember the numbers that were coming out of the machine. I attempted to map an entire period of 38 numbers (because im playing american version and not single zero which is only 37 numbers) and it would show me the ratio of the lowest amount of repetitions within one period as compared to the highest amount of repetitions within the period.

as many of you probably can tell by what im saying, i have no idea how to math or why i was doing what i was doing.

all i knew is that there was going to be a repetition of an entire period and every number is in itself just another repetition

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are these the digital cabinets?...

The older ones at Mohegan Sun are very similar to that. I played a newer model that has a brighter screen and a faster chipset under the hood. If you double-click the spin button the animation is skipped and the results shown. I was able to process more than 130 bets in under a minute.

The newer model displays the results of the last 20 spins to the side of layout. It also has a histogram displayed at the top of the box showing the frequency distribution of the last 200 spins for each position on the wheel. The casino is betting their RNG, whatever flavor, makes any tracking useless for predicting future outcomes.

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... Never mind there's a house edge on every bet.

Yes, 5.26%, but that is less than the average hold of about 10% for Mohegan Sun slots. That is probably true for most casinos. That hold is good for a higher limit table game, but for $1 slots they want to force more variance to deplete bankrolls faster.

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are these the digital cabinets?



I met a guy who swore he was beating these machines to the point where he was very sure he had many people watching him and he also claimed they kicked him out at one point

If I had a nickel for every time.....

This is the roulette machine I was talking about. At the casino they have a scoreboard addition above the machine to describe spin histories in quite a bit of detail, like top 5 hot & cold numbers, last 10 spins.
8 Players Electronic Roulette Game Machine in Casino - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWtan3IdzDA
I can put my Player's Card into the slot but I'm not getting any points so there's no reason to bother. I saw one old Asian lady play for hours as she racked up her $50 buy-in to over $400 playing like 8 straight-up numbers per spin and then upping her bets on those as she got ahead.
There's really no bounce to the ball that you would see at a dealer table.

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are these the digital cabinets?



I met a guy who swore he was beating these machines to the point where he was very sure he had many people watching him and he also claimed they kicked him out at one point

If I had a nickel for every time.....

have you ever seen a tweaker? this guy wasnt on drugs but he acted like he had a reason to be paranoid. It was mostly the fear in his eyes. He wasnt poor either. He was well dressed too. I took his story with a grain of salt and as mostly made up, but something about the way this guy peeked around corners and walked cautiously while maintaining his awareness, was as if he believed his story. And the normal roulette players around there had mostly a defeated, degenerate look in their eyes, even though they were mostly playing a live dealer wheel, rather than the ones were talking about.

I wanted to believe him because he was the complete opposite of what I knew as a normally degen roulette player, and trust me there were many "regulars" around there who i would see almost on a daily basis, and their systems always changed. But apparently this guy never changed his.

Everything about this guy "seemed" different which is why I think my mind wanted to believe him more.

I dont believe in roulette systems, per se though. And my "system" or whatever you want to call it is visual ballistics mostly but RRS screws that up so bad IMO.

I feel like I'm reading a dime store page turner paperback book.

Somebody must have been playing MyVEGAS - this sort of thing is almost certainly why the only table game it has is blackjack. (Otherwise, almost certainly, players would be converting chips into LPs (and then into rewards) by betting red/black/0-00 in roulette or pass/don't pass/boxcars in craps.)

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I was able to process more than 130 bets in under a minute.

So It was worth it for you losing a fixed $7800/hour to achieve the next tier level ?

I find it hard to believe in 2020 that grinding 0 variance bets at a 5.2% house edge produces value in excess of losses. Especially at a place like Mohegan Sun.

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So It was worth for you losing a fixed $7800/hour to achieve the next tier level ?

That assumes the betting unit is $1, doesn't it?

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So It was worth it for you losing a fixed $7800/hour to achieve the next tier level ?

Read it again. I played less than a minute. My cost was $264.

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are these the digital cabinets?



I met a guy who swore he was beating these machines to the point where he was very sure he had many people watching him and he also claimed they kicked him out at one point

If I had a nickel for every time.....

have you ever seen a tweaker? this guy wasnt on drugs but he acted like he had a reason to be paranoid. It was mostly the fear in his eyes. He wasnt poor either. He was well dressed too. I took his story with a grain of salt and as mostly made up, but something about the way this guy peeked around corners and walked cautiously while maintaining his awareness, was as if he believed his story. And the normal roulette players around there had mostly a defeated, degenerate look in their eyes, even though they were mostly playing a live dealer wheel, rather than the ones were talking about.

I wanted to believe him because he was the complete opposite of what I knew as a normally degen roulette player, and trust me there were many "regulars" around there who i would see almost on a daily basis, and their systems always changed. But apparently this guy never changed his.

Everything about this guy "seemed" different which is why I think my mind wanted to believe him more.

I dont believe in roulette systems, per se though. And my "system" or whatever you want to call it is visual ballistics mostly but RRS screws that up so bad IMO.

when it comes to people with crackpot gambling theories...they come in all sizes, shapes and backgrounds.

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I find it hard to believe in 2020 that grinding 0 variance bets at a 5.2% house edge produces value in excess of losses. Especially at a place like Mohegan Sun.

I think you are conflating my activity to cover an entire qualifying amount. I was only interested in a small increment at the end of a qualifying period. Here's what I got for my $264. Comped suites any day of the week instead of comped rooms sometimes during the week. Lounge access any day instead of just weekdays that aren't holidays. Credits for 80 lounge accesses a month instead of 20. A better grade of alcohol in drinks at bars. A separate hotel check in desk. Reserved parking. Plus some other stuff. Worth the $264 for six months of that for me. Maybe not for you. I'm cool with that.

Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly

On Sunday I tried to add enough play for Mrs. Chips to reach an award level, but the machine would no longer allow zero- and near-zero-variance bets. I gather new software has been installed.

The casino benefits from the change by not allowing players to exchange money for player points at a fixed rate. Previously, a player with limited bankroll needing a specified number of player points would be able to “buy” the points without “gambling.” Now players in such a situation are forced to accept some variance and “gamble.” Some will be lucky and get what they need. Others will fall short, donating their bankroll to the casino but not reaching a level where the casino reciprocates with added benefits. Bummer!

I don’t understand why some casinos frown upon or disallow zero/low variance betting. I’d think that would be the ideal bettor for a casino...they get exactly the house edge, guaranteed