Mission146
Mission146
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December 18th, 2019 at 9:14:19 AM permalink
Quote: scolist

Thanks Mission146, that helps a lot, and I've been using that trainer since I joined this sight ( 2x d, 5x w). But I think I got stuck on the trainer and failed to pay enough attention to understand the strategies/frequencies.

I'm sure actual seat time at the casino would help?



You're welcome.

Maybe, or you can just play the games for free on here. I do agree that (at least, for me) it helps to actually play them on here and have my errors corrected just because it helps with learning the basic general concepts of a particular game and paytable. What is, "Usually," the correct hold, essentially. After that, and again this is just for me, it makes it easier to memorize the exceptions from a strategy chart after I have learned basic strategy on my own.
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billryan
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December 18th, 2019 at 9:51:38 AM permalink
Quote: scolist

The payback percentage is what I'm trying to find, but consider me clueless. Can anyone help me understand? A PM would be great.

Right now I'm closest to RW Catskills.

Thanks!



Most NY racinos don't offer true video poker. They offer what is known as a video lottery machine. Very different than Nevada machines, in that the hand is determined before you see the first card.
Hours of experience on video lottery machines won't help you at all. They are just dumb luck.
scolist
scolist
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December 18th, 2019 at 11:12:48 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Most NY racinos don't offer true video poker. They offer what is known as a video lottery machine. Very different than Nevada machines, in that the hand is determined before you see the first card.
Hours of experience on video lottery machines won't help you at all. They are just dumb luck.



RW Catskills is an actual casino, they ripped out all of the VLMs out of Monticello Raceway to get all of the money to the casino itself, much to the dismay of the MR patrons. Both are owned by Empire Resorts.

RW NYC has VLMs.
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FleaStiff
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December 18th, 2019 at 12:36:44 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Actually the vast majority of slot players donít care, nor understand holds and payback. Nor does it stop them.

That is overwhelmingly true and those who want to take a stethoscope to a slot machine will probably be tolerated because his actions will entertain so many passersby that the overall slot action will climb.
DRich
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December 18th, 2019 at 12:47:02 PM permalink
Quote: smurgerburger

Do you know whether it illegal to use a key without authorization like that?



I am not aware of a law in Nevada like that but expect to get kicked out if you get caught. They may even call the police of Gaming officers on you.
Living longer does not always infer +EV
DRich
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December 18th, 2019 at 12:50:17 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

You can calculate the hold for a VP machine based on its paytable.



I would disagree with that. You can calculate the theorhatical hold assuming players are using the perfect strategy. The actual hold of the poker machines is usually 1% TO 3% higher than the theo hold.
Living longer does not always infer +EV

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