SOOPOO
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July 29th, 2019 at 4:28:33 PM permalink
I used to pay quarterly estimated taxes. Was $2500 a quarter. My accountant told me after third quarter I did not have to pay the fourth quarter as I had met my legal obligation for the year, something about already paying 110% of last years taxes already. He does my taxes at the end of the year and says I'm getting $1200 refund. The refund check comes..... but it is not a check...... it is a letter from the IRS saying I owe $1300 plus interest plus penalty..... His data enterer had put in that I had made that 4th estimated payment even though I was told not to.... I wrote a check to the IRS that day......
TomG
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July 29th, 2019 at 8:06:42 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

How do the casinos that rely on undocumented immigrants make it go away when jackpots happen? I'm under the impression they pay without id, is this wrong?



I highly doubt there are any American casinos that "rely" on undocumented immigrants for slot machine action (depending on how we define a casinos reliance)(landscaping, house keeping, and washing dishes is much more likely).

I would guess a jackpot hit by someone without ID would be handled the same, regardless of their citizenship or immigration status. Can anyone here report that ever happening? I've heard they take out taxes and pay the rest and you can either come back with ID or just handle it when you file. For an undocumented immigrant I would guess it would most likely just end up as a gift to the treasury.
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July 29th, 2019 at 8:21:23 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

I highly doubt there are any American casinos that "rely" on undocumented immigrants for slot machine action (depending on how we define a casinos reliance)(landscaping, house keeping, and washing dishes is much more likely).

I would guess a jackpot hit by someone without ID would be handled the same, regardless of their citizenship or immigration status. Can anyone here report that ever happening? I've heard they take out taxes and pay the rest and you can either come back with ID or just handle it when you file. For an undocumented immigrant I would guess it would most likely just end up as a gift to the treasury.

They should absolutely pay them after they call imagragtion
and use the money to fund their deportation costs and any fines associated with breaking the law.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
TomG
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July 29th, 2019 at 8:36:00 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

They should absolutely pay them after they call imagragtion
and use the money to fund their deportation costs and any fines associated with breaking the law.



Since foreigners, whether here legally or not, are probably more likely to carry an ID than an American for this very reason a policy like this wouldn't get anyone deported. Calling immigration enforcement on anyone who doesn't carry an ID would make it even harder to deport anyone, since they would be spending all their time dealing with people who are here legally.

Something like this would also mean that any casino that breaks ranks and doesn't report them would end up with all the illegal immigrant business and end up earning a lot of money.
AxelWolf
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July 29th, 2019 at 9:00:48 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

Since foreigners, whether here legally or not, are probably more likely to carry an ID than an American for this very reason a policy like this wouldn't get anyone deported. Calling immigration enforcement on anyone who doesn't carry an ID would make it even harder to deport anyone, since they would be spending all their time dealing with people who are here legally.

Something like this would also mean that any casino that breaks ranks and doesn't report them would end up with all the illegal immigrant business and end up earning a lot of money.

That may all be true. I'm just saying if they have a good reason to think they are here illegally after running their name though the system.
Like in a situation where they use/have a local address, (perhaps attached to their players card) but don't have a SS number.

I have read ( not sure if it's true) lottery jackpot winners here illegally have been denied lottery wins.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkoz
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July 29th, 2019 at 9:59:45 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf



I have read ( not sure if it's true) lottery jackpot winners here illegally have been denied lottery wins.



No its not true

https://www.macon.com/news/article28645024.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/new-york/winning-mega-million-lottery-guarantee-green-card-illegal-immigrant-article-1.1075661%3foutputType=amp

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/03/nyregion/illegal-immigrant-duped-out-of-3-million-ny-lottery-prize.html

Just a few examples
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onenickelmiracle
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July 29th, 2019 at 11:56:08 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

I highly doubt there are any American casinos that "rely" on undocumented immigrants for slot machine action (depending on how we define a casinos reliance)(landscaping, house keeping, and washing dishes is much more likely).

I would guess a jackpot hit by someone without ID would be handled the same, regardless of their citizenship or immigration status. Can anyone here report that ever happening? I've heard they take out taxes and pay the rest and you can either come back with ID or just handle it when you file. For an undocumented immigrant I would guess it would most likely just end up as a gift to the treasury.

you can make a lot of money from a certain portion of a population and I can be the difference between profit and loss for a small profit and a big profit. It is kind of ridiculous that multiple people have taken offense to the word relying as if I'm breaking one of the Ten Commandments giving it to us by the Lord PC herself. Some of the Southwest Native American casinos I had thought I remembered someone mentioning something like this, that's where this came from. I had thought that the Native American casinos had a little bit of power sometimes that they would use to bring in the money that would otherwise be scared away. It was all basically just a question I don't care either way. Perhaps I had thought that they use some Dead Man's social security number for all these jackpots or whatever. Apparently it's not true and I'm fine with that.
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darkoz
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July 30th, 2019 at 12:18:59 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

you can make a lot of money from a certain portion of a population and I can be the difference between profit and loss for a small profit and a big profit. It is kind of ridiculous that multiple people have taken offense to the word relying as if I'm breaking one of the Ten Commandments giving it to us by the Lord PC herself. Some of the Southwest Native American casinos I had thought I remembered someone mentioning something like this, that's where this came from. I had thought that the Native American casinos had a little bit of power sometimes that they would use to bring in the money that would otherwise be scared away. It was all basically just a question I don't care either way. Perhaps I had thought that they use some Dead Man's social security number for all these jackpots or whatever. Apparently it's not true and I'm fine with that.



Ok well, I know Genting casinos cater heavily to an Asian market.

And what was the Sands in Bethlehem Pa., catered to homeless with no ID (yeah, here come the homeless bus jokes but its true).

Perhaps the less regulated Indian casinos in the Midwest could be trying to tap into a local market other casinos avoid. Who knows.
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smurgerburger
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July 30th, 2019 at 12:56:30 AM permalink
There's actually a category of casino that may well rely on illegal immigrant customers. They are illegal casinos in strip malls in some Texas cities, I think the one I have in mind is in Houston. They cater heavily to Spanish speakers of low income.

Come to think of it might be a good place to scout for unpatched legacy machines.

OTOH the reason I've heard of these places is because one was the scene of a homicide featured on The First 48.
ApellesPromptov
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July 30th, 2019 at 1:45:30 AM permalink
Definitely. The should be fined and inspected. Otherwise anyone can just get in there and waste someone else's money without any possible consequence.

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