Vegas scammers aka bums
Shitty thing, you know they're lying about investing money. Second, what can you do, either walk away, report them or rip them off. Is it ethical to scam a scammer? Wouldn't seem right, but otherwise they'll rip someone off, and the only thing they lose is an opportunity to scam.
Quote: JohnzimboWhat do they do to get customers? Whisper "Hey buddy....wanna buy some multipliers?"
I haven't seen it but that is probably the gist of it. I'm sure they try to overcharge.
If I were the one making the games, I would offer an option to buy back a player's multipliers if he cashes out with some on the next hand. Then again, it would go against the purpose of keeping the player at the machine, which is probably why I am not the one making the games.
Pretty much. They have people willing to play what would be EV, but not EV because they split wins, eat losses. They call them up, but will offer strangers a deal. It's not UX, something more complicated and higher BR dependent. I don't know, maybe they're fake disabled, worried about hand pays affecting their entitlements, but I really think it's just better to never lose, always win, and that's what they choose.Quote: JohnzimboWhat do they do to get customers? Whisper "Hey buddy....wanna buy some multipliers?"
What are they gonna do, call casino security? LUL
If they refuse, call security.
Problem solved.
Quote: MrVSimple solution: tell them you want to play the machine and they need to yield it to you (for free).
If they refuse, call security.
Problem solved.
Yeah, I don't see why this is a big problem, or how the scam would even be successful. The person squatting on the machine has zero claim to anything.
I am not a machine player and certainly don't know anything about vulturing, but "bums" who have hosts????Quote: IbeatyouracesSome of them here will have a host lock the machine for as long as they need....
I must really be missing something here.
Quote: DocI am not a machine player and certainly don't know anything about vulturing, but "bums" who have hosts????
I must really be missing something here.
As much as these scrubs play, they have a high tier card.
Surprised? When you're in Las Vegas someday take a good look at who is lined up at the door to the Diamond Lounge at the Flamingo itching & tweaking to get in right away at the first moment it opens. Even without being local and acquainted with some of them (beyond their cover stories for suckers & social workers), for any clear-eyed reasonably observant person I don't think it would really be necessary to know them that well individually to make a pretty good guess about the lives of at least some of them.Quote: DocI am not a machine player and certainly don't know anything about vulturing, but "bums" who have hosts????
I must really be missing something here.
Here's a little hint: some of those Fabulous VIP Diamond Card guests, including some I can think of that have been that way for years, don't always do a thorough job of shaking off the twigs and leaves. Including some members right here on this forum.
Quote: djatcWould be funny to scam them
What are they gonna do, call casino security? LUL
Cause a scene, maybe get the both of you tossed.
Quote: casinoplayer42I hate it when they sit next to you and demand money when you win on a slot.
That's what the Service Button is for. :) Though it's best to just be firm and tell them off instead because a lot of service button aren't worth Jack. In Hialeah the indoor floor non smoking Service Button is great. I have accidentally pressed the Service Button many a time and the Casino staff was there within a minute. The smoking section(A separate section than the main non smoking indoor section) Service Button is crap however. You have to manually flag down a Casino Staff Member. In Miami Jai Alai, their Service Button is crap. I remember a woman kept staring at my machine and not playing, presumably wanting me to get off the machine. I pressed Service Button to report her, and they NEVER came. I finally had to tell her off myself and tell her something like,"I'm really not comfortable having you watching my machine." She left. So it's best at times to just tell them off yourself and not use the Service Button.
Quote: onenickelmiracleIs it ethical to scam a scammer? Wouldn't seem right, but otherwise they'll rip someone off, and the only thing they lose is an opportunity to scam.
Slightly OT, but a few years back, I stumbled upon a website that talks about the Nigerian scam artists and has email records of how people had actually scammed them. I tried it and after about 3-4 months of correspondence with one of them, actually got them to send three different payments of $20, $20 and $10 to me in hopes of the "big payday" that was promised him. It took patience, creativity and multiple email accounts to pull this off and afterwards, I felt no remorse in scamming the scammer.
Quote: NathanThat's what the Service Button is for. :) Though it's best to just be firm and tell them off instead because a lot of service button aren't worth Jack. In Hialeah the indoor floor non smoking Service Button is great. I have accidentally pressed the Service Button many a time and the Casino staff was there within a minute. The smoking section(A separate section than the main non smoking indoor section) Service Button is crap however. You have to manually flag down a Casino Staff Member. In Miami Jai Alai, their Service Button is crap. I remember a woman kept staring at my machine and not playing, presumably wanting me to get off the machine. I pressed Service Button to report her, and they NEVER came. I finally had to tell her off myself and tell her something like,"I'm really not comfortable having you watching my machine." She left. So it's best at times to just tell them off yourself and not use the Service Button.
haha!
Quote: WizardI've never once had strangers come out of the woodwork to get a handout waiting on a hand pay, but many times where employees start hovering around, congratulating you, obviously hoping for a tip. This problem is especially pervasive at the Four Queens. Once I gave a tip to the one who paid me and said, "please share this with the rest of the staff," but she just walked off with the money and every other employee gave me the "where is my tip?" look. My policy is the only people who might be eligible for a tip are those who did some service for you before or including the payment of the jackpot.
I usually look at my phone on reddit or something from the time I hit a jackpot till I get paid. If you weren't talking to me before hitting the jackpot odds are you're up to no good. Those people can stand around as long as they want.
Or what's also fun is to string them along until they do the hard sell and say "no I don't let people borrow money". I hit a jackpot once and this old lady chatted me up for a while until I got paid. I assumed she was a high limit player and just wanted to talk, but turns out she was hustling people for money. I was kinda surprised at the extremely long effort she put in until she asked me for a few bucks however.
I've started to keep conversation with people in casinos to a minimum. Most are nice people that just wanna gamble and have fun, but the small percentage of hustlers just make me sick of having to deal with people in general.
Quote: casinoplayer42haha!
:D
Quote:"I've started to keep conversation with people in casinos to a minimum. Most are nice people that just wanna gamble and have fun, but the small percentage of hustlers just make me sick of having to deal with people in general."
Yup, better to be cautious at all times, rather than get hustled.
The next time you get a hand pay, tell them to pay some to the IRS and that you want your portion paid to you in full by check.
Not only will that remove the pressure to tip, it will also help to save you from yourself, at least for that day.
Quote: DrawingDeadSurprised? When you're in Las Vegas someday take a good look at who is lined up at the door to the Diamond Lounge at the Flamingo itching & tweaking to get in right away at the first moment it opens. Even without being local and acquainted with some of them (beyond their cover stories for suckers & social workers), for any clear-eyed reasonably observant person I don't think it would really be necessary to know them that well individually to make a pretty good guess about the lives of at least some of them.
Here's a little hint: some of those Fabulous VIP Diamond Card guests, including some I can think of that have been that way for years, don't always do a thorough job of shaking off the twigs and leaves. Including some members right here on this forum.
But they get a couple free meals in the diamond lounge each day lol
Quote: WizardI've never once had strangers come out of the woodwork to get a handout waiting on a hand pay, but many times where employees start hovering around, congratulating you, obviously hoping for a tip. This problem is especially pervasive at the Four Queens. Once I gave a tip to the one who paid me and said, "please share this with the rest of the staff," but she just walked off with the money and every other employee gave me the "where is my tip?" look. My policy is the only people who might be eligible for a tip are those who did some service for you before or including the payment of the jackpot.
I have no idea what the proper tip is for a jackpot but I hit for 18k on a lightnng machine and gave the guy 100 bucks and you would have thought I kicked him in the balls and spit in his eyes. Not sure what he was looking for but he didn't get it
Quote: troopscottI have no idea what the proper tip is for a jackpot but I hit for 18k on a lightnng machine and gave the guy 100 bucks and you would have thought I kicked him in the balls and spit in his eyes. Not sure what he was looking for but he didn't get it
This is exactly why I have a problem with tipping. Dont get me wrong, I still tip dealers for good service, but that is the only reason. I dont tip people because they are just doing their job (flipping cards, handing me money ect.). I was raised to believe that 15% is a good tip for good service. Now 15% has fallen by the wayside and people expect 20% on service.
Anyways, trooper, let that be a lesson...dont tip the slot people. They arent really providing you any service that merits it anyways.
Quote: troopscott
I have no idea what the proper tip is for a jackpot but I hit for 18k on a lightnng machine and gave the guy 100 bucks and you would have thought I kicked him in the balls and spit in his eyes. Not sure what he was looking for but he didn't get it
Never go back to that casino, or if you must never play on this idiot's shift. Or if you do stiff um
Quote: KevinAAI've only gotten one hand pay in my life ($5k) and I didn't tip anything. It's your job to hand me money! If you have a problem with that, lobby Congress to raise the report threshold from $1,200 and then the machine will pay me, not you!
haha
Quote: troopscottI have no idea what the proper tip is for a jackpot but I hit for 18k on a lightnng machine and gave the guy 100 bucks and you would have thought I kicked him in the balls and spit in his eyes. Not sure what he was looking for but he didn't get it
That is unfortunate, but I'm not surprised by the reaction you got. My advice is 0.5% to 1%, depending on the jackpot amount, the higher the jackpot, the lower the percentage. Your tip was 0.56%, which was right in line with my advice.
Feel free to name the casino so they can suffer a little public shaming.
That sounds like a very nice tip to me for what, about 5 - 10 minutes of work ?Quote: troopscott
I have no idea what the proper tip is for a jackpot but I hit for 18k on a lightnng machine and gave the guy 100 bucks and you would have thought I kicked him in the balls and spit in his eyes. Not sure what he was looking for but he didn't get it
Quote: WizardThat is unfortunate, but I'm not surprised by the reaction you got. My advice is 0.5% to 1%, depending on the jackpot amount, the higher the jackpot, the lower the percentage. Your tip was 0.56%, which was right in line with my advice.
I think manufacturers have an obligation to avoid making a nuisance. Lottery ticket dispensers make the tickets eligible for 'a second chance' and thus avoid a pile of discarded tickets. The old OTB offices in NYC had zillions of people who would pick up discarded tickets, read thru them, then throw them back on the floor. What a nuisance.Quote: WizardI haven't seen it but that is probably the gist of it. I'm sure they try to overcharge.
If I were the one making the games, I would offer an option to buy back a player's multipliers if he cashes out with some on the next hand. Then again, it would go against the purpose of keeping the player at the machine, which is probably why I am not the one making the games.
Casinos often realize what is going on when a small team camps out on a certain kiosk or something. Surely there could be a simple system of cashing out and getting a added consolation prize of zeroing out the machine for a few pennies more.
No one wants the low lifes who tout 'lucky machines' or who try to scalp real or imagined credits. This "I will press the secret button sequence if you will give me half your winnings" is nonsense and to a certain extent I have no pity on the suckers but it makes the casinos magnets for unsavory types.
Casinos and game manufacturers should realize that can be expensive in the long run.
Frankly, I agree with this sentiment. I don't go to the Shift Manager and tip him for doing his job. I hate this sea of outstretched hands from people that have not done anything for you.Quote: KevinAAI've only gotten one hand pay in my life ($5k) and I didn't tip anything. It's your job to hand me money! If you have a problem with that, lobby Congress to raise the report threshold from $1,200 and then the machine will pay me, not you!
Tip a dealer? sure. Tip a jerk with an outstretched hand just because its Vegas? No.
Quote: troopscottQuote: WizardI've never once had strangers come out of the woodwork to get a handout waiting on a hand pay, but many times where employees start hovering around, congratulating you, obviously hoping for a tip. This problem is especially pervasive at the Four Queens. Once I gave a tip to the one who paid me and said, "please share this with the rest of the staff," but she just walked off with the money and every other employee gave me the "where is my tip?" look. My policy is the only people who might be eligible for a tip are those who did some service for you before or including the payment of the jackpot.
I have no idea what the proper tip is for a jackpot but I hit for 18k on a lightnng machine and gave the guy 100 bucks and you would have thought I kicked him in the balls and spit in his eyes. Not sure what he was looking for but he didn't get it
Your response should have been to kick him in the balls and spit in his eyes.
On the other hand if I am playing at my "regular" casino, at a place I frequent often with a staff I am familiar with and who I have interacted with before, I'd be inclined to tip twenty or so bucks.
Unlike dining in a restaurant where society expects you to tip, the etiquette for casinos seemss more fluid / amorphous.
