Top Dollar/ Double Top Dollar Red Hottie etc game questions

I don't want to make a couple of threads so I will ask you these questions if someone can answer them.

#1 What is your set spending limit (in credits or $$) that you say to yourself that if you don't get the bonus by then, you will get off of the machine. Those machines are basically setup just to get the bonus. The other pay offs are pretty bad on it.
{Personally for me I try to set a limit of $60 on the $1 machine and $300 on the $5 version. I have been guilty of putting $170 into a $1 top dollar before without the bonus $240 into double top dollar and never getting the bonus.)

#2 In your best guess, (for people that play the game), after you do hit the bonus, in general how long does it take to show up again?
(My best guess on this is probably another 30-40 spins).

#3 If you get a bad bonus, do you continue to play the game or just take the offer?
(I usually play the game until I get a bonus, If I don't have to put extra money into the machine and I get a bad bonus, I will take it and maybe come back to it later. If I put extra money into it, I will keep going. 8/30/16 I was playing double top dollar. I must put $240 or $260 into the machine before I hit the bonus and was down to 1 credit. 1st offer 15 2nd offer 25 3rd offer 30 (best play said to try again), 4th offer was 15 credits. I got that and kept going and didn't get the bonus again and I ended up using everything in my wallet $40 more and lost it all.

#4 How many times or how often do you get at "decent" bonus (lets say 40 or 45 credits) and the machine says best play is to take offer and you don't take offer and you end up getting something better then what was offered? {I personally have seen it done several times, but personally I never got lucky enough to EVER get a better offer then the 3rd one.)

#5 Do you think that once you get the bonus, it is already pre determined or it is determined at the time you push the next offer button.

#6 Is the 3 credit version of the game worth playing? I notice that if you are on a 3 credit machine, the pay table is doubled because of the extra credit. Do you think that it is fair for them to do that? More the Fair? or you refuse to play the 3 credit version nd stick with the 2?

If you choose to PLOP Down and play these then you have to expect to lose- putting your money in and playing and quitting of you so no hit a bonus is just useless if you plan on going back and playing in the future, the machines do not know you left-

You can find most of the answers you are looking for posted alresdy in the forum-
Everything you are asking is pretty much alresdy been discussed as myths in here

Chasing bonuses is usually a bad idea. I would say if the bonus doesn't come up within 20 spins, it is time to stop. Sure, the goal of playing slots is to get more money than you came in with, but cutting your losses(stopping before you lose any more money)is important too. Would you rather lose $20 or lose $200? Food for thought.

It won't matter if you plan on coming back- the machines dont know you left

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M_pXPf9pd6g

Quote: Nathan

Chasing bonuses is usually a bad idea. I would say if the bonus doesn't come up within 20 spins, it is time to stop. Sure, the goal of playing slots is to get more money than you came in with, but cutting your losses(stopping before you lose any more money)is important too. Would you rather lose $20 or lose $200? Food for thought.

There are very few bonus machines where the bonus will come up on an avage of less than 30 spins. Not that that matters beause you are going to give up the same EV if you play 5 machines for 20 spins or one machine for 100 spins, but thats just a strange statment you made.

Quote: AxelWolf

There are very few bonus machines where the bonus will come up on an avage of less than 30 spins. Not that that matters beause you are going to give up the same EV if you play 5 machines for 20 spins or one machine for 100 spins, but thats just a strange statment you made.

I meant a maximum of 20 spins is what should be spun without getting a bonus because constantly spinning on a machine that is just not giving the bonus is a bad idea. Cutting losses is the best thing to do in this situation.

And axel.... You think he doesn't run into Kentry..... I sat not possible

Once again, I have no idea who Kentry is.

Ok whatever

How do you feel it's cuttings your losses if you continue to play another machine

Quote: Nathan

I meant a maximum of 20 spins is what should be spun without getting a bonus because constantly spinning on a machine that is just not giving the bonus is a bad idea. Cutting losses is the best thing to do in this situation.

cutting your losses playing -ev slots is always the best thing to do. I know exactly what you were/are saying AND ITS NOT TRUE. If what you were saying was true you could probably exploit -ev bonus slots and make lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.























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You are cutting the losses you accumulated by not putting anymore money into the non bonusing machine. Trust me, I know from experience how awful chasing a bonus can be on a non bonusing machine ! I spun hundreds of times on the same slot machine with no bonus at all one day. When the bonus finally came, it was a bad bonus that only gave me like 20 times my bet. I only got about 2 percent of the money I spent to get to the bad bonus in the first place. Chasing a bonus is a bad idea many times! Had I spun just 20 times with no bonus and then wised up and ran for the hills, I would have done well!

This can't be for real

Yes, it is real. I learned a valuable lesson to stop chasing bonuses.

Quote: Nathan

You are cutting the losses you accumulated by not putting anymore money into the non bonusing machine. Trust me, I know from experience how awful chasing a bonus can be on a non bonusing machine ! I spun hundreds of times on the same slot machine with no bonus at all one day. When the bonus finally came, it was a bad bonus that only gave me like 20 times my bet. I only got about 2 percent of the money I spent to get to the bad bonus in the first place. Chasing a bonus is a bad idea many times! Had I spun just 20 times with no bonus and then wised up and ran for the hills, I would have done well!

And then after you left the next person Walked up and hit a huge bonus for 2k (it had nothing to do with the machine itself, they happened to hit the button at the right time)

You could walk around all day playing 20 spins on many machines and non of them hit a bonus round. This just as likely as not hitting a bonus round on a similar machine with the same average bonus round cycle. IT'S selective memory on your part.

Furthernore If you have a banking/ accumulator slot then you should stay and chase the bonus if there's any value banked as apposed to moving after 20 spins. That's how and why people make/made money from guys like who who build up value then leave. Kinda like progesives and must hits.

Let's take a game like Lobster mania. If you play 100k spins spread out over multiple machines and I play 100k spins on one machine, we will be very close in the number of bonus rounds we each had and will have had lost about the same amount.

There may be some merit to some machines having a hidden accumulated amount built up in the bonuses however that won't affect how often the bonus round comes up.


There are some rare machines out there that break the rules of what's normal of 99% of
slots machines (I highly doubt you have run into them) And usually when that happens they get exploited by asavvy player's. Such was the case with a some slot banks called Indiana Jones.


There is no such thing as hot or cold machines hot or cold players until after the fact.

It happend again. I played Red Hot Hottie $1 version 2 at a time. First $20 nothing, Put another $20 hit the bonus for $100 and cashed out at $112. Then got brave went to the $5 machine after someone lost just a little. I put $380 or so into it and no bonus. I have been on a downhill thing. I went to coushatta lost $290 into the $5 machine. $380 today. All it takes is to hit the bonus quick and get something decent and you have a hand pay. But it looks like I have to lose all I win again to hit something again. If I would put $300 into the machine, then hit the bonus on the last credit and got 30 credits I would have been fine with it. Atleast I hit the thing. I hate leaving never hitting it. The most I got on it was 10 credits back (double mixed bars). I got the cherry about 4 times and that is all I got on the entire thing.

I was at the one casino saturday and someone was playing $25 double top dollar. 2nd offer was 40 credits and he took it. Then he lost it all and hit the bonus again after a few $100 MORE IN IT. The first offer was 40 credits, he took it. he didn't know what he was doing. If I was playing the $25 version I would be greedy with it. I wouldn't settle for anything under atleast 50. The other night I was playing the $5 version and put about $140-$180 in and hit the bonus got 30 credits as the last offer. I believe best bonus was 1st offer at 40 credits. The machine says best bet was play again. I am getting tired of playing and not getting the bonus. You could lose $1000 on that thing quick with no bonus.

Quote: krava

It happend again. I played Red Hot Hottie $1 version 2 at a time. First $20 nothing, Put another $20 hit the bonus for $100 and cashed out at $112. Then got brave went to the $5 machine after someone lost just a little. I put $380 or so into it and no bonus. I have been on a downhill thing. I went to coushatta lost $290 into the $5 machine. $380 today. All it takes is to hit the bonus quick and get something decent and you have a hand pay. But it looks like I have to lose all I win again to hit something again. If I would put $300 into the machine, then hit the bonus on the last credit and got 30 credits I would have been fine with it. Atleast I hit the thing. I hate leaving never hitting it. The most I got on it was 10 credits back (double mixed bars). I got the cherry about 4 times and that is all I got on the entire thing.

I was at the one casino saturday and someone was playing $25 double top dollar. 2nd offer was 40 credits and he took it. Then he lost it all and hit the bonus again after a few $100 MORE IN IT. The first offer was 40 credits, he took it. he didn't know what he was doing. If I was playing the $25 version I would be greedy with it. I wouldn't settle for anything under atleast 50. The other night I was playing the $5 version and put about $140-$180 in and hit the bonus got 30 credits as the last offer. I believe best bonus was 1st offer at 40 credits. The machine says best bet was play again. I am getting tired of playing and not getting the bonus. You could lose $1000 on that thing quick with no bonus.

LOOK CLOSELY at top dollar somewhere there is something that actually tells you if you should take the offer or go for it. It takes the guesswork out of it.