darkoz
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November 21st, 2018 at 4:08:51 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Sorry to wake up an old thread, but I'd rather do that than start a new thread for the same topic.

As some of you know, I'm doing a complete rewrite of Gambling 102. I would say I'm about 80% done. Here is a blurb about skill-based slots, that I'd like to run by the more experienced slot players than me for accuracy. I welcome all comments and corrections.



There is a much more lucrative AP play there that depended on location and other factors.

I guess pm me since everyone is so quick to explode when AP secrets are given out
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November 21st, 2018 at 7:16:59 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

There is a much more lucrative AP play there that depended on location and other factors.

I guess pm me since everyone is so quick to explode when AP secrets are given out



Umm. How does that help the APs? He's writing a book. Of course I want the book to have some value. But either he can't use your tip out of respect for not spoiling a play, or he uses it and spoils the play, making the advice useless. Where is the upside of that?
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
darkoz
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November 21st, 2018 at 7:54:03 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Umm. How does that help the APs? He's writing a book. Of course I want the book to have some value. But either he can't use your tip out of respect for not spoiling a play, or he uses it and spoils the play, making the advice useless. Where is the upside of that?



Oh its for inclusion in a book?

Then of course I dont mind if he discusses the play

Seriously this is that fine line.

I will wait to see what the Wizard says. If he asks I will give him this one. The play is only useful in limited circumstances
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November 22nd, 2018 at 6:25:12 AM permalink
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For example, many people don't know when The Battle Of Hastings was fought. If that were a slot answer, it wouldn't take too much do type into Google ,"Battle Of Hastings," date, and get the correct answer, "October 14, 1066."

About 10% of the answers were wrong.
Google was a big help. But so was knowing when the game designers f**ked up.

Note: Much of the game payout was in large bonus rounds (versus progressives).
However, I never saw a par sheet or machine settings.
Since I never made 10K on the game, I didn't process my data & try to reverse-engineer the settings.
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January 13th, 2019 at 3:49:20 AM permalink
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Prior to SB 9, Nevada allowed for a skill-based component to be worth up to 4% of a slot machine's return. That's how IGT got their skill-based bonus games out in Vegas (and Bally prior to that). There used to be five IGT titles that had skill-based bonuses in Vegas at once: Spin Devil, Tully's Treasure Hunt (which Axelwolf played), Blood Life Legends, Aladdin Prince of Adventure, and Atari Centipede. Tully, Aladdin, and Blood Life are essentially the same video reel game in different graphics packages, and those three offered the player a choice of taking free spins or the skill-based bonus. The skill bonuses of Spin Devil and Centipede are mandatory.

I'm surprised and not happy that Spin Devil seems to have outlasted the other four. I believe that its bonus round was by far and away the worst of them all -- gameplay was guaranteed to last for only 20 to 36 seconds; the only way to even come close to that little bonus time in any of the other games was via intentional suicide in Centipede. I'm also convinced that it was the only one of the five IGT games in Vegas where you could play perfectly and still get screwed out of a significant portion of the bonus money accumulated. I vultured IGT's other skill-based bonus games but ignored Spin Devil.

Games in AGS' "It Pays To Know" line of slots typically have multiple bonus features, of which one will be trivia or knowledge-based. But I think only Family Feud can still be found in Vegas and that is definitely not a vulturable game.

As for Frogger, Konami said that they would eventually get a skill-based version out on the casino floor. When that arrives is anyone's guess. The most likely next stop is Space Invaders, from SciGames/WMS/Bally.




Centipede's skill game is NOT mandatory, there is a free spin option if you do not want to play the skill version. For those wondering you play three levels of centipede (1st with 1 fully connected centipede, 2nd with one spare head, 3rd with 2 spare heads) and each completed level wins a prize. On the 3rd level only the scorpion is available to be hit for a fourth jackpot payout. Failing to complete the first wave pays a consolation prize based on the number of spiders you got before losing all lives (which is based on bet and # of bonus symbols hit)
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January 13th, 2019 at 3:55:30 AM permalink
The skill games I play anymore are Centipede, Race Ace and Family Feud.

Centipede is a port of the Atari arcade game, and at least where I find it, players suck and the skill pots are usually quite nice. netting a $300 bonus if you clear the three levels.
Race Ace is a mario kart style game that uses a clone of the Dolly slot machine for it's base mechanics, including the Wild becomes a full reel and 1 bonus symbol for a bonus random events. You can choose between the skill or a free spin bonus, the latter being a full clone of the "Classic Dolly" bonus. Where I find this game, first is an easy hundred bucks and 95%+ of the time no problem to finish in first.

Family Feud just cause the questions used in the Fast Money and Survey Says bonuses are straight from the tv show, even the point values haven't been changed, so extremely vulnerable to google lookup.
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March 3rd, 2019 at 1:42:47 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Sorry to wake up an old thread, but I'd rather do that than start a new thread for the same topic.

As some of you know, I'm doing a complete rewrite of Gambling 102. I would say I'm about 80% done. Here is a blurb about skill-based slots, that I'd like to run by the more experienced slot players than me for accuracy. I welcome all comments and corrections.



is now the book ready? any info on online slot? all RTP and some online slot games in pt, rtp from 95%-99.9%, What skills are needed?
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March 4th, 2019 at 7:12:22 PM permalink
My GF and I played some skill based slots at Foxwoods that were unlike any we played before. They were basically mobile games, it was called the Gamblit Gaming Tri Seat or something like that

TL;DR is that the rules about how much wagers cost were confusing because there is no spin button, and the payouts were miserable. No game held our attention for longer than a few minutes

Here are the 6 we had. Our experience was not great: this is all from memory of a week old trip so some details might be off.

Deal or no deal video poker: the least skill based of the four. PoK or better to get paid. One round of swapping where you pick your new cards from deal or no deal cases. While it only happened once, if you are close to a paying hand, you can get a call from the banker and accept an intermediate payout, for example if you have three of a kind with one choice left, you could take a payout between three of a kind and full house instead of picking. This only happened to us once. The animated girls are cringey. Iím not a big video poker enthusiast so Iíd ifbthis is nicer or more fun than good old Jacks or Better

Lucky Words: The most skill based. Similar to an old game called text twist but you could compare it to boggle. Grid of letters, swiping words fills 8 or so meters on the right fill at a 1letter/space and a full meter offers a chance at a payout (or none at all) often we wagered $1.00 per game and were never awarded more than $0.17 / meter for a $0.30 ďwinĒ. If you up your bet you can activate a 7/8 letter word persistent jackpot meter. You need to get maybe 10 8 letter words but you have as many games as you want to do it. My girlfriend and I arenít good at this game and the min. For these jackpots was too high. At least the wager/reward system was straight forward.

Catapult king: Angry birds clone with TERRIBLE graphics. Costs 1$/ shot at the castle!! Even Angry birds isnít that aggressive with its in app purchases. There is some sort of level based progression but we just didnít find it fun. One REALLY interesting thing is there are non money payouts in the form of ďmagicĒ that you can use in game for power ups. I think you get paid for knocking down soldiers on the first shot but we werenít making money.

Match 3volution: 2048/match three type game where three matching symbols merge to form the next in a hierarchy. It costs $1 every time you touch the screen. It took us quite a while to realize this AND took us a while to figure out how we got paid. Every time you match 3 symbols a small wheel spins on the right side. You have a chance of getting paid, getting nothing, something good happening like a wild card or a chance to move a bad placement or SOMETHING BAD HAPPENING for just playing the game correctly. When we did get a payout it was rarely more than $1 (but we did get a few in the 2-4$ range). Luckily my GF is good at these types of games and I think we actually managed to make around $6 but I couldnít figure out if higher payout is based on higher skill or if we just got lucky. This game could REALLLY hurt your wallet if you are bad at this sort of game.

Pub Caps: I spy type game. My simpleton favorite, best artwork, although it does get repetitive and again we never in maybe 25 games got paid more than our initial wager. $1 per game, a field of bottle caps that were nicely colored for fake craft beers are laid out. The top of the screen lists 4-10 bottle caps that must be found. Sometimes you need to find more than one of the same and one time you had to find them in order. Not sure what triggered that. You have 20 or 30 seconds. My girlfriend and I found them all every time but we watched an old lady struggle before we played. Once you find them all you go to a screen and pick 3-5 bottle caps with prizes underneath(most have nothing) including 3 bonus caps. We never got the bonus cuz you need to get all 3. I canít remember if you need to match others to get the prize but we never made more than $1
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March 9th, 2019 at 10:11:13 AM permalink
Quote: GamblinCabbie

The skill games I play anymore are Centipede, Race Ace and Family Feud.

Centipede is a port of the Atari arcade game, and at least where I find it, players suck and the skill pots are usually quite nice. netting a $300 bonus if you clear the three levels.
Race Ace is a mario kart style game that uses a clone of the Dolly slot machine for it's base mechanics, including the Wild becomes a full reel and 1 bonus symbol for a bonus random events. You can choose between the skill or a free spin bonus, the latter being a full clone of the "Classic Dolly" bonus. Where I find this game, first is an easy hundred bucks and 95%+ of the time no problem to finish in first.

Family Feud just cause the questions used in the Fast Money and Survey Says bonuses are straight from the tv show, even the point values haven't been changed, so extremely vulnerable to google lookup.



Sigh, if only they had that crap around my area. Must only be located in vegas.

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