98Clubs
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July 25th, 2016 at 7:03:48 PM permalink
IMHO not skill-based.

The only real skill-based slots were the mechanical "pachislo" machines in Japan. Customer pushes a button to stop each wheel (L --> R, however). Payouts were low enough that even skilled players had a small net disadvantage. One might find a few on ebay for a look-see.
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onenickelmiracle
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July 26th, 2016 at 11:30:49 AM permalink
Only one category of skill playing slots, worthless skill. If grandma can play, faghettaboutit.
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July 26th, 2016 at 2:05:03 PM permalink
Could it be said about the Frogger game at Cosmo that the bonus may require skill but the credits you get has nothing to do with it? In other words, they balance things out with consolation prizes for bad players.
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July 26th, 2016 at 3:43:18 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Could it be said about the Frogger game at Cosmo that the bonus may require skill but the credits you get has nothing to do with it? In other words, they balance things out with consolation prizes for bad players.



No, because you cannot actually influence the frog in any way during the bonus. You just watch the "game" and win if the frog ends up on a credit prize or jackpot.
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July 26th, 2016 at 7:25:02 PM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

No, because you cannot actually influence the frog in any way during the bonus. You just watch the "game" and win if the frog ends up on a credit prize or jackpot.



Correct, the Frogger at Cosmo is nothing like the one discussed last year. Pure random slot with no possible influence in he game.
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July 29th, 2016 at 8:03:32 PM permalink
I remember reading somewhere that there was a knowledge based slot that you won based on your answers, so it paid to be smart, literally and figuratively. The rub or the solution, whichever way you look at it was that many of the questions repeated and friends who had already answered the question were telling their friends the correct answers and getting them to get paid. Other people who didn't have friends who already knew the answers were using Google on their smartphones and getting paid. For example, many people don't know when The Battle Of Hastings was fought. If that were a slot answer, it wouldn't take too much do type into Google ,"Battle Of Hastings," date, and get the correct answer, "October 14, 1066." ,The slot paid out very well due to people using these two methods(in fact, Casino employees were even encouraging people who didn't know they could just Google the question to use Google), and the slot was taken off the market when slot execs realized what was happening due to the slot becoming a huge ATM in a way.
Really, dude, you tried to buy a flat screen TV for only $3.99? Get out of here, you scam, con arist!
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July 29th, 2016 at 9:14:14 PM permalink
Quote: Dean

I remember reading somewhere that there was a knowledge based slot that you won based on your answers, so it paid to be smart, literally and figuratively. The rub or the solution, whichever way you look at it was that many of the questions repeated and friends who had already answered the question were telling their friends the correct answers and getting them to get paid. Other people who didn't have friends who already knew the answers were using Google on their smartphones and getting paid. For example, many people don't know when The Battle Of Hastings was fought. If that were a slot answer, it wouldn't take too much do type into Google ,"Battle Of Hastings," date, and get the correct answer, "October 14, 1066." ,The slot paid out very well due to people using these two methods(in fact, Casino employees were even encouraging people who didn't know they could just Google the question to use Google), and the slot was taken off the market when slot execs realized what was happening due to the slot becoming a huge ATM in a way.



Two games that AGS manufactured for their "It Pays To Know" line could fit your description: Ripley's Believe It Or Not, and Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader? I wonder which one you might be referring to, because even taking into account the ability to call friends or Google up answers to ensure higher bonus payouts, I don't see a method in either game where ploppies/non-vultures could play straight up and get over 100% payback. They could certainly reduce the slot's hold, but the penalty for a correct answer on the first try versus second try was negligible unless one was betting max on Ripley's with an abnormally high progressive at stake.
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August 1st, 2016 at 1:17:52 AM permalink
Quote: doughtaker

Two games that AGS manufactured for their "It Pays To Know" line could fit your description: Ripley's Believe It Or Not, and Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader? I wonder which one you might be referring to, because even taking into account the ability to call friends or Google up answers to ensure higher bonus payouts, I don't see a method in either game where ploppies/non-vultures could play straight up and get over 100% payback. They could certainly reduce the slot's hold, but the penalty for a correct answer on the first try versus second try was negligible unless one was betting max on Ripley's with an abnormally high progressive at stake.



Yes, it was Ripley's Believe It Or Not slot game that I was talking about! Thank you for refre4shing my memory! :D
Really, dude, you tried to buy a flat screen TV for only $3.99? Get out of here, you scam, con arist!
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August 1st, 2016 at 1:17:52 AM permalink
Quote: doughtaker

Two games that AGS manufactured for their "It Pays To Know" line could fit your description: Ripley's Believe It Or Not, and Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader? I wonder which one you might be referring to, because even taking into account the ability to call friends or Google up answers to ensure higher bonus payouts, I don't see a method in either game where ploppies/non-vultures could play straight up and get over 100% payback. They could certainly reduce the slot's hold, but the penalty for a correct answer on the first try versus second try was negligible unless one was betting max on Ripley's with an abnormally high progressive at stake.



Yes, it was Ripley's Believe It Or Not slot game that I was talking about! Thank you for refre4shing my memory! :D
Really, dude, you tried to buy a flat screen TV for only $3.99? Get out of here, you scam, con arist!
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November 20th, 2018 at 4:40:13 PM permalink
Sorry to wake up an old thread, but I'd rather do that than start a new thread for the same topic.

As some of you know, I'm doing a complete rewrite of Gambling 102. I would say I'm about 80% done. Here is a blurb about skill-based slots, that I'd like to run by the more experienced slot players than me for accuracy. I welcome all comments and corrections.

Quote: Gambling 102 edition 2 draft

Skill based slots also offer a possible advantage for "skilled" players. The way these games generally work is players vest money into a bonus fund as they play. When they hit the bonus, their win will depend on how much money is in that fund as well as the player's skill level. If you've played after some unskilled players, there will be more money to be won in the bonus. In my limited experience, I find the skill level required in these games to be pretty low, so there usually isn't enough money in the bonus banks to be worth playing. However, with a lot of patience and time, there are ripe games to be found.

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