BedWetterBetter
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November 9th, 2015 at 8:45:45 AM permalink
Just saw a free slot play promotion from Mount Airy Casino in Tannersville. PA.

**********November 9th , 13th , 16th & 30th • 10am-5:59am the following day

Making Football even more interesting! If either professional New York football team wins at home in the month of November we will give you $1 in free slot play for every point they score in the winning game the following day!

*Open to all Player’s Club Members. Guests must swipe at the kiosk from 10am-5:59am the following day on the dates listed above to claim free slot play. One swipe per member. No free slot play is given if either team loses their home game. Does not include Buffalo team. ****************

So if I am reading this right, if I were to go to Mt. Airy today I will receive $28 slot play because the NY Jets won at home.

What's interesting about that, the first Home game for a NY football team was against Jacksonville. Which is almost a guaranteed win.
Looking at the remaining home games in Met Life stadium, the schedule is as follows:

Thursday Nov. 12 - NY Jets vs Buffalo Bills
Sunday Nov. 15 - NY Giants vs New England Patriots
Sunday Nov. 29 - NY Jets vs Miami Dolphins

It may come back to bite them given the Jets are playing well this season and should easily win one of the next two home games. Whereas the Giants have a snowball's chance in hell of beating the Patriots in the Reg. Season, but there are those two notorious games in the post season where the Giants emerged victorious!

I really hope Mt. Airy continues this type of promo, but knowing them they will start to change things on the fly!
Kentry
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November 9th, 2015 at 2:03:18 PM permalink
This promotion seems iffy to me. If 1,000 people all have player's cards, and the promotion is 4 days, and is $28 each person, the Casino would be giving $112,000 in free play. That is highly unlikely that they would give away $112,000 in free play.
AxelWolf
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November 9th, 2015 at 2:22:20 PM permalink
Quote: Kentry

This promotion seems iffy to me. If 1,000 people all have player's cards, and the promotion is 4 days, and is $28 each person, the Casino would be giving $112,000 in free play. That is highly unlikely that they would give away $112,000 in free play.

The average person probably loses more than $28. It's absolutely something casinos can and will do and it's likely.
28$ per person in FP is peanuts.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
TwoFeathersATL
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November 9th, 2015 at 2:28:12 PM permalink
Go team 'Team Kentry', who started that cheer anyway?
Go Team Kentry, go speed racer, go, go something. It'll come back to me later, long after I hit the 'post' button.
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waasnoday
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November 9th, 2015 at 2:58:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

The average person probably loses more than $28. It's absolutely something casinos can and will do and it's likely.
28$ per person in FP is peanuts.



AxelWolf is correct here Kentry. That amount of FP is pretty small for most casinos. If that promotion gets them in the door and playing then that FP will pay for itself. Now if every guest was an AP at Axel's level then I would be concerned but there are a lot more uninformed guests that play in a casino vs. the professional and knowledgeable APer.
tringlomane
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November 9th, 2015 at 3:17:55 PM permalink
Most Illinois casinos win about $100 per patron (they and some other Midwest states must keep attendance). Missouri is over $80 per person per day in the St. Louis area.
AxelWolf
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November 9th, 2015 at 3:22:51 PM permalink
Quote: waasnoday

AxelWolf is correct here Kentry. That amount of FP is pretty small for most casinos. If that promotion gets them in the door and playing then that FP will pay for itself. Now if every guest was an AP at Axel's level then I would be concerned but there are a lot more uninformed guests that play in a casino vs. the professional and knowledgeable APer.

If enough sharps and hustlers hit it they certainly may cut it off premature. It happens all the time especially in Vegas. You just never know. I was absolutely dumbfounded how long they let double royals go at LVC on FPJW. I couldn't believe Sams Town was so cheap and cut off the $50 Aces.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Dieter
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November 9th, 2015 at 3:32:10 PM permalink
Quote: Kentry

This promotion seems iffy to me. If 1,000 people all have player's cards, and the promotion is 4 days, and is $28 each person, the Casino would be giving $112,000 in free play. That is highly unlikely that they would give away $112,000 in free play.



The house is surely expecting that people will come in, play their free play, and then, while they're there, get a meal, have a drink or two, and play some of their own money.

Looking at their website and inferring some information about the property, I would multiply your numbers by at least 3 - so more like $350k in free play given away over the promotion period.
May the cards fall in your favor.
waasnoday
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November 9th, 2015 at 3:39:51 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If enough sharps and hustlers hit it they certainly may cut it off premature. It happens all the time especially in Vegas. You just never know. I was absolutely dumbfounded how long they let double royals go at LVC on FPJW. I couldn't believe Sams Town was so cheap and cut off the $50 Aces.



That is something that has always left me confused. So many casinos have run promotions with huge AP holes and yet they still release new promotions with vulnerabilities. In my neck of the woods I expect that because we do not employ the best analytics but you would think most casinos in Vegas would be all over the promotional analytics (guess they are too concerned with card counting). There really should be more math taught with marketing for business degrees.
DRich
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November 9th, 2015 at 4:23:23 PM permalink
Quote: waasnoday

That is something that has always left me confused. So many casinos have run promotions with huge AP holes and yet they still release new promotions with vulnerabilities. In my neck of the woods I expect that because we do not employ the best analytics but you would think most casinos in Vegas would be all over the promotional analytics (guess they are too concerned with card counting). There really should be more math taught with marketing for business degrees.



You would think so but it is probably much worse than most people realize. Like any businesses there are many holes in the system.

ie.

Marketing guy says we should give $28 to every player that comes in because they spend on average $80 per day. If a lot more people come in the marketing guy thinks he has a good promotion because the headcounts are way up.

The slot guy is happy because his slot play and headcounts are up and the $28 is coming out of the marketing budget. He believes the promotion is a great idea.

The food and beverage guy is happy because his cocktail waitresses served more drinks on these days than they normally do. It must be a good promotion because his numbers are up.

The valet parking attendants are happy because headcounts are up and they are making more tips. It must be a good promotion.

At the end of the month the accountants just check to see if the month was up or down but no one drills down into the details why. The problem is no one really knows if a promotion is good or not. The don't look at the whole picture only focussing on their department.
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