Possible to beat slots?

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Here's another nice bonus hit. The Super Shakin' & Reelin' feature is the best, especially with a high multiplier.

https://youtu.be/THSunJLdRbs

I'll see your "nice bonus hit" and raise you:

Quote: chaunceyb3

I'll see your "nice bonus hit" and raise you:

Awesome!! But the question is, did you vulture it or were you DG'ing the game?

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Awesome!! But the question is, did you vulture it or were you DG'ing the game?

I beat out two Turkish guys to this machine at 8 o'clock. They stood behind me, arms crossed, and watched the whole way. Then I hit the maxi and they got pissed. :) What a perfect ending.

Quote: Exoter175

I'll name you three of the "biggest" beatable machines that you'll no longer see in a casino.

Indiana Jones
Star Wars
Jaws

I'll bonus with.......

S&H Green Stamps
Wild Cherry Pie


I list these 5 because they are all done and over with and if you ever found one still in the casino, you'd be lucky and I'd offer you a cash reward for telling me the location and keeping it a secret from everyone :D

As a man who makes his living within the casino, you can't honestly expect me to openly discuss machines in which I make my living on, unless the cat is already out of the bag on them. You're welcome to suggest one and I'll give you a thumbs up or thumbs down on its ability to be hustled, if I've seen it, but I'm not going to give you the "Hustlers playbook" so openly on the internet.

As is, there are too many "hustlers" in the casinos. I would estimate there's about 1,000 or so with minimal experience on things like UX, and of course those numbers grow every day. There's probably 200-300 within those 1,000 that know 2 more of the hustles from the "playbook", and of those 200-300, there's honestly less than 40-50 that know 75% of the full repertoire of the "playbook". Of course when I refer to "playbook" I'm referring to currently "hustled" machines, not like the 5 I just listed.

Are you there, Exoter175? I just read this post and am intrigued by your offer of a cash reward for finding the slots that you list.

I found some. How much do I get? No, I don't want your money. There are two Jaws machines at Foxwoods in the Fox Casino, formerly the MGM casino. Those have been verified as my wife played them Thursday night.

My daughter recalls at least two locations in Atlantic City that also have Jaws. I'll stop short of saying they are verified but I will be there in a couple of weeks and will check. I'm on the road now so specific questions about Foxwoods may have to wait unless I can make a phone call or two.

Want to tell me how to beat Jaws?

I'm here, just returned from a nice little roadtrip up and down a few states, I'd probably edit a few of those locations out and shoot me a PM, I'll explain a little to get you started, but won't necessarily give you the play by play out of the "booK' :P

Those machines you listed are everywhere I can name four to fives casinos that have almost all of them
S and h is always loaded with the bonus but they play isn't really that great

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Those machines you listed are everywhere I can name four to fives casinos that have almost all of them
S and h is always loaded with the bonus but they play isn't really that great

Some of them might be everywhere like jaws and stamps, but are getting phased out rapidly. Indiana Jones and Star Wars specifically are (to my knowledge) all but gone, and if someone knew where one of those two were, I'd expect a PM from someone on it, and the finders fee would be pretty handsome. The other three aside from those two, much smaller finders fees if any, depending on software versions. It also depends on which variation and "game" the machine is, and which denomination.

There is 1 S & H (That I know of) in Vegas and it is always being watched.

Quote: Boz

There is 1 S & H (That I know of) in Vegas and it is always being watched.

Its also a very, very low earner at the end of the day, not one I'd travel to like the SW/IJ games.

Quote: Exoter175

Its also a very, very low earner at the end of the day, not one I'd travel to like the SW/IJ games.

I agree, which makes it funny that guys are missing potential good plays fighting over this one. They are obviously not top earners.

Quote: Boz

I agree, which makes it funny that guys are missing potential good plays fighting over this one. They are obviously not top earners.

For most people, it just boils down to "not knowing".

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Remember, there are different versions of RatC. Some have multipliers and more bonus rounds. The ones without these, I won't touch until they're at 10:00. Any less and we've always lost money.

Here's one of those versions I haven't figured out yet. Anyone with info, PM me.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Here's one of those versions I haven't figured out yet. Anyone with info, PM me.

If I remember correctly you have to hit a winning hand 5 times in a row to get a CHANCE to win the progressive. It seems really convoluted in the way you can't just lowroll your way to a guaranteed progressive.

There are a lot of slots nowadays where each increment in bets gives you more choices to a number of picks, such as the Hangover, which I really don't like. A 50c bet gives you one choice out of 4 boxes, in which one of them contain the mini progresive. $2 gives you all 4 choices. The mini amounts are pretty small so you're betting way too high compared to the amount to make it worthwhile.

My conclusion to small progressives is that it's a great thing to play if you are looking to kill some time, or make a little money to buy cigarettes/drinks/lunch, but you won't get rich playing these unless you have a high frequency in play (such as UX), low bet per amount won (such as UX), likelihood of hitting (such as UX). If you can find a mix of those minor/major coin in must hit by's where if you coin in the minor for no EV loss, and the major becomes a play after that, then that's a good play too.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Here's one of those versions I haven't figured out yet. Anyone with info, PM me.

Same concept as this similar banking machine by Konami:



Move along, nothing to see here.

The problem with Indian Jones is once you find them every AP/hustler is stalking them. When they were at Main Street, California and Fremont at the same time you could easily make $400 - $600 a day with a starting bankroll of just $300 total, even with fierce competition. You had to battle with both the lowest of the low and some smart successful AP's, if you weren't respected or known you would get squeezed out. I was seriously like playing musical chairs for money.

The last one in Vegas I remember was at The M.(I'm sure they had it elsewhere, but there were far better plays during that time, with even less risk) They tossed out most of the guys who didn't belong at the M(perhaps they were doing dumb sh**. The M IJ wasn't even worth much, especially with the heat. It definitely wasn't worth the risk losing the M at that time. If you happened to walk by and it was juicy I wouldn't pass it up.

Finding one bank with competition wouldn't be worth much IMO. Hanging around all day doing nothing and stalking players gets boring.

Indiana Jones is one example of a machine where it's actually due (YES I SAID IT, "THE MACHINE WAS DUE TO HIT BIG") previous play absolutely mattered(play the machine that the little old lady was betting max and left). there's some caveats to all that because the dueness is tied to the bonus rounds that are triggered by the must hit meters.

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Green Stamps shmeen stamps, the average bonus after max bets and almost loaded is probably less than $50.
good luck finding a playable one and god blessed you finding it loaded. If you could make $50 a day I'd be shocked.

Not going to argue with any of that Axel, its all very well true, but there were few plays in the history of Machine AP that were more profitable than IJ, and I've got a literal army of quasi-AP's who will work on payroll in shifts if I can ever find one. I honest to god would not make the same mistake we made last time. That machine was torn down 6 weeks after it went up and removed a week later, we must have had 85%+ on the hustle in that period and made a fooooooooooooortune.

Quote: chaunceyb3

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Here's one of those versions I haven't figured out yet. Anyone with info, PM me.

Same concept as this similar banking machine by Konami:



Move along, nothing to see here.

Yeah, I figured it out after finally watching someone play it.

I suggest you could test your idea in the video app like this one :

This is the same as the land based slot machine. Figure it out yourself.

Quote: Exoter175

Not going to argue with any of that Axel, its all very well true, but there were few plays in the history of Machine AP that were more profitable than IJ, and I've got a literal army of quasi-AP's who will work on payroll in shifts if I can ever find one. I honest to god would not make the same mistake we made last time. That machine was torn down 6 weeks after it went up and removed a week later, we must have had 85%+ on the hustle in that period and made a fooooooooooooortune.

Funny thing about Indiana Jones in 2009.

I had just started learning about bonus machines (First 6 months I played slots, I was angling poorly-designed promotions & other aspects, expecting to lose $X dollars "playing" an actual slot machine).

Three banks left in Las Vegas (at least ones that I knew - Venetian, another on strip, and one off strip).
I had a run of bad luck & was losing, finally made about $100 before Indiana Jones kicked the bucket.

Heard later some friends were making $10K-12K/month.
Back then I was trying to make $35/day, and only made $12K for the whole year...but I thought slots were more fun than BJ.

Less bankroll requirement, and less heat.

Quote: Exoter175

You're more willing than I to play them. 9:00 is my target point, and every once in a while depending on the progressive numbers, I'll allow myself an 8:30-8:45 number, but it is exceptionally rare for me to do that.

In all honesty, a lot of it depends on its history. I spend time watching them if I have "down time" and people are playing them (IE Sweating), and if one is sitting at 9:00, but just bumped there from 7, I won't touch it until 10:15 or better. The clocks really aren't all that "random" in the way that they advance time, and if you're able to watch them long enough, you figure out that often times, you were taking them too early to begin with.

If you are camped out watching clocks (for some people that's their most profitable game, and they live in front of the clocks for 8-12-16 hrs/day), the better method is to look for (1) past heavy play (2) last jump & amount of jump. Might play at 4:00, 6:00, 8:00. And refuse to play at 10:00.

However, if you are just passing by, with no knowledge of history, you have to take your chances.
Sometimes with good multipliers, play anything, even 4:00.
With no multipliers, maybe wait until 10:30.

Anything else is a judgment call.

Sometimes, if you get a tiny jump, as long as you are below 10:30 with low multiplier, it's best to bail from the machine.
...wait for someone to move it higher. Profitability improved when APs started abandoning bad clocks.

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Note: As a competitive tactic, some APs will play anything half-way reasonable (non-plays) just to deny other APs access to any lucky clock plays. Hoping to encourage the visiting APs to leave. So it might be hard to figure out how good an AP is...by looking at when someone plays (without knowing the context).

There are also wannabe-APs and very low profitability APs who play too early. They play many "losers", but the occasional good "play" they get, gives them a slight profit...so they keep playing. Low profitability APs on most games usually play too low, too high, at the wrong time, or with simple (sometime faulty) strategies...with poor bankroll management.

Lastly, more experienced APs might sprinkle in playing some clocks way too early, so no one watching & copying will learn when they actually like to start playing (or how much heavy-play/coin-in/clock-moevment they want before starting). Sometimes with camouflage, you might limit your losses to $2, $5, $10...and bail if losing too much (e.g. a potshot at a quick jump).

Quote: AxelWolf

Green Stamps shmeen stamps, the average bonus after max bets and almost loaded is probably less than $50.
good luck finding a playable one and god blessed you finding it loaded. If you could make $50 a day I'd be shocked.

Aside from 1c Green Stamps, there were banks of 2c & 5c.

Not sure if there were 10c or higher denoms. I didn't notice Green Stamps until late 2010, when it was going the way of the do-do.

5c Green Stamps (one) was available at San Manuel (Los Angeles) until 1-2-3 yrs ago.

Green Stamps was "heaven" for low-budget scam artists ("creators").
Golden Nugget bank of 1c got a few people 86'ed.

Best hits I got were $400-500 on pair of 2c at Treasure Island (TI) - one of the last Green Stamps in Vegas.
Hard to remember, but I think playing aggressively I was starting at 230-250, conservative 300-350.
Don't really remember. I might have experimented with 225 250 275 & decided they were unprofitable.

A way to learn new games is to experiment with different play pts & keep statistics, to figure out break-even, 102%, 104%, 106%, 108% levels.

Although I forget my start pts, I do remember deciding on play pts which could be more aggressive than most APs;
e.g. losing -$1/avg play ... but getting it back on the big hits. Whereas most were looking for +$1/avg play, and thought I was crazy.