onenickelmiracle
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May 6th, 2014 at 5:06:26 PM permalink
Some will be so adamant, almost religiously, believing it cannot be done at all, not for one machine, not for one casino. I'm thinking the big picture can be seen over time based on personal experience and judging the environment surrounding them. Sure never sure, so they keep going back a few more times or playing a few more hours to validate their assumptions.

Mostly the industry employee types are preaching the impossibility, but does this not admit it's in the public interest to have full disclosure and eliminate the black box protections. It doesn't seem to me a constitutional right of the casinos to have their profits protected to me if people wouldn't play if they knew the true odds. They do have those suit cases of money delivered to our politicians so no, I don't believe fairness matters for our laws.

Can it be done though? Can slot players notice spending XX% more and not still blame it on bad luck? If the machine par sheets aren't available and machines labeled indicating which is being used, can the statement "casinos are heavily regulated" be truthful?
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MathExtremist
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May 6th, 2014 at 5:10:07 PM permalink
This has been studied by Dr. Harrigan at U Waterloo:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14459795.2012.712151#.U2l5vfldVp8

Another link:
http://www.gamblingresearch.org/synopses/details.php?id=764
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onenickelmiracle
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May 6th, 2014 at 5:21:46 PM permalink
I'll read them next. I forgot to mention how the Borgata has been slammed by the Happy Place Borgata Brats for quite some time, then here for the first time I know of, it's no longer the top in Atlantic City and unmentioned by Strictly Slots this time. It was quite unusual to hear complaints about their fairness, and there was the evidence.
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onenickelmiracle
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May 6th, 2014 at 5:28:06 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

This has been studied by Dr. Harrigan at U Waterloo:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14459795.2012.712151#.U2l5vfldVp8

Another link:
http://www.gamblingresearch.org/synopses/details.php?id=764

Thanks for the link. I'm sure it hasn't made the eye of some of the forum worlds yet.
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May 6th, 2014 at 5:29:04 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Can it be done though? Can slot players notice spending XX% more and not still blame it on bad luck? If the machine par sheets aren't available and machines labeled indicating which is being used, can the statement "casinos are heavily regulated" be truthful?

Casinos are heavily regulated and must bend over backwards to appear fair but that doesn't mean they must turn somersaults. Its the difference between keeping your cards close to your vest and putting them on the table.

I'm sure slot players gripe about "tighter" machines all the time but that could just be sensing how long their initial deposit lasts them. Five years ago they know how long it lasted now it lasts a shorter time, so there is a sense of 'tight' machines in general. I don't know if players can really sense specific machines. Southpoint or Silverton (I always get confused) loosened ten percent of their machines...scattered around the casino. No one noticed new traffic patterns and they use TeraData as a database program to track slot pay.

Now CAN it be true? Yes. Consider health technicians who put samples into a machine and get a reading. By the end of a day the very subtle clues of the smells have "trained" their brains to discriminate between healthy and sick and sometimes they can even name the infectious agent involved. People can learn subtle clues but with all the alcohol and loud music it might be a real challenge in a casino.
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:34:15 PM permalink
Sample size of one, so my experiences don't really matter, but yes in my case. We have a local casino we played a few slots at once on a lark (had freeplay and decided what-the-heck), and had quite a lot of fun even we didn't win or lose much. Even went back and played with our own money for a few hours. Went to Las Vegas and played at the Bellagio and Cosmopolitan the same exact Wheel of Fortune machine (at least externally) and the difference was palpable. Of course, it could have been bad luck, but it sucked our money in moments instead of in hours.
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May 15th, 2014 at 7:37:01 PM permalink
Quote: fountainfiend

Sample size of one, so my experiences don't really matter, but yes in my case. We have a local casino we played a few slots at once on a lark (had freeplay and decided what-the-heck), and had quite a lot of fun even we didn't win or lose much. Even went back and played with our own money for a few hours. Went to Las Vegas and played at the Bellagio and Cosmopolitan the same exact Wheel of Fortune machine (at least externally) and the difference was palpable. Of course, it could have been bad luck, but it sucked our money in moments instead of in hours.

So you ran good the first time and bad the second time it averaged out.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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