Adaptive Algorithm

Hello!

Who ever heard about adaptive algorithm in slot machines?

As I see it, is a system that focuses on bank player. This can affect the line or bonus game ..

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Quote: Dobrij

Hello!

Who ever heard about adaptive algorithm in slot machines?

As I see it, is a system that focuses on bank player. This can affect the line or bonus game ..

??

I have never heard of it and I have worked on lots of slot machines in Las Vegas.

Quote: DRich

I have never heard of it and I have worked on lots of slot machines in Las Vegas.

Because if I am thinking what he is thinking, you haven't heard of it because it's expressly illegal in most (all?) US jurisdictions. I think he referring to the machine's overall return being adjusted because of previous results on that machine. Correct me if I am wrong Dobrij.

I have a suspicion that the legal requirements are not always a guarantee that it is so!

Especially after what happened in Europe with assault rifles of AGI. And it was a disaster of cosmic scale. Russian guessed it, and the casino lost Millions Dolar !

According to our observations, IGT slot machines (the old version) have a tendency to adaptability.
For example: If a player after the bonus game, trying to take the risk and double all winnings. If not, then very often during the 10 spins out again one bonus game.

Quote: Dobrij

Especially after what happened in Europe with assault rifles of AGI. And it was a disaster of cosmic scale. Russian guessed it, and the casino lost Millions Dolar !

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Quote: FleaStiff

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Ask questions with words please.

I already communicate with online translator.

Quote: Dobrij

Ask questions with words please.

I already communicate with online translator.

Well, if you can find a better translator to use, it may help. I am still not confident in knowing the exact question you are wanting to ask. And I definitely don't know what slot game you are talking about. But in some foreign countries, it is legal that machines adjust their play based on previous results.

Believe me, even in countries where the games are to be independent of each other, working with imperfect machines certified RNG

We have in stock, did a test:

During the game, each winning hand tried to double 1 time (red - black). And recorded the number of successful and failed attempts.

2000 times to press only the red
&
2000 times and pressed only black

The result showed that the machine gives not 50/50!

When you click on the red only, the statistics gave more black.
When you click on the black only, the statistics gave more red

>Believe me,
It might help us believe you if we could understand what you are saying.

>During the game,
What game? On what machine?

>2000 times to press only the red & 2000 times and pressed only black
>The result showed that the machine gives not 50/50!
I should hope not!

Quote: Dobrij

When you click on the red only, the statistics gave more black.
When you click on the black only, the statistics gave more red

By how much? If you recorded the results, why don't you post them instead of just claiming it.

When you choose red 2000 times and got black 1019 times for example, this would be an expected result of a "fair game".

Yes, this is what I want to say, that the difference between red and black, and was close to EV

And it does not RNG !

( IGT slot machine - 2005 )

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And the story of xxxx?

Manufacturer, and certified laboratory has confirmed that the machine runs on RNG. But we have already proved that in many models it is not!

Grouping of players from Russia, since 2009 has had time to get rich.

- So I'm not sure that the GLI or any other certifying company is 100% understand the algorithm of game machines.

- And the purpose of creating this topic, learn what they think about this American colleagues.?

It is too bad you have to auto translate everything because it gets confusing. I have heard others from Russia claiming something similar before, unless it was you. Continue on, interesting nonetheless.

If not RNG, what? How have you proved it?

I have before considered the game makers have more money and more intelligent employees than the regulators and the possibility does exist they could trick them into approving something they would not if they understood it.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

I have before considered the game makers have more money and more intelligent employees than the regulators and the possibility does exist they could trick them into approving something they would not if they understood it.

This could be true, but is it really worth the risk?? Just keep pumping out slot machines with payouts in the high 80s to low 90s, and all is well, in my opinion.

Quote: tringlomane

This could be true, but is it really worth the risk?? Just keep pumping out slot machines with payouts in the high 80s to low 90s, and all is well, in my opinion.

If it is approved, it is legal is my understanding. If there is a way, they will find it. I can't get over how weird machines are now, but it is probably just dramatically lower paybacks and/or a different win structure on the newer ones. It just amazes me the difference between machines now and 2004 when I first dabbled. If I was drinking beer 9 years ago by analogy, I would be drinking practically water now but still paying a higher price. If I look ahead 9 years, you're going to have to be really disturbed to dabble anymore in a casino or online. I think high 80s is a fantasy at many casinos and those which allow 80% will have many on the floor if they haven't already. High 80s to low 90s I would be happy with, but don't think many are there.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

If it is approved, it is legal is my understanding. If there is a way, they will find it. I can't get over how weird machines are now, but it is probably just dramatically lower paybacks and/or a different win structure on the newer ones. It just amazes me the difference between machines now and 2004 when I first dabbled. If I was drinking beer 9 years ago by analogy, I would be drinking practically water now but still paying a higher price. If I look ahead 9 years, you're going to have to be really disturbed to dabble anymore in a casino or online.

Yes, vs. 2004, payouts have definitely gone down...and variance has definitely shot up. The variance will help keep the illusion of winners to the average "addicted" gambler for longer. Using video poker as a more concrete math example, many people on this forum talk about playing 9/6 Jacks or Better (99.54%; standard deviation 4.42 bets/hand) video poker, but your average casino patron is playing 8/5 Double Double Bonus (96.79%; standard deviation 6.48 bets/hand) instead. And then the gimmick games like Super Times Pay poker come in turning 8/5 DDB into (97.06%; standard deviation 8.17 bets/hand). Most modern slots probably have standard deviations > 10 bets/hand; this definitely wasn't the case in 2004.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

. I think high 80s is a fantasy at many casinos and those which allow 80% will have many on the floor if they haven't already. High 80s to low 90s I would be happy with, but don't think many are there.

Well, Missouri only requires 80%, but Missouri casinos consistently return 87-88% at the penny denomination. So if machines have tons of 80% machines on the floor, then they will have to have mid 90s machines to balance them out.

And one of my local casinos had a -20% hold at blackjack in January...lolololololol

http://www.mgc.dps.mo.gov/2013_fin/FY13_FinReport/detail0113.XLW

Quote: onenickelmiracle

If not RNG, what? How have you proved it?

Proved very easy. First encountered in 2010 (in an illegal casino, St. Petersburg), we pulled back the players and with the help of physical force recognized : )