PlayHunter
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March 1st, 2013 at 8:37:28 PM permalink
Does exist Class I video slots or video poker games? Or Class I games are considered only social games like backgammon, poker etc?
tringlomane
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March 1st, 2013 at 8:51:52 PM permalink
Quote: PlayHunter

Does exist Class I video slots or video poker games? Or Class I games are considered only social games like backgammon, poker etc?

(6) The term "class I gaming" means social games solely for prizes of minimal value or traditional forms of Indian gaming engaged in by individuals as a part of, or in connection with, tribal ceremonies or celebrations.

So any gaming defined as Class I is not electronic.
onenickelmiracle
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March 1st, 2013 at 9:02:29 PM permalink
What I find funny about Class II compared to class III is Class II is bound to fractions, but class III is not. The balls do not allow anything other than fractions since there are 80 balls and they cannot be broken up into decimals to be legal. Class I is a great question.
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tringlomane
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March 1st, 2013 at 9:17:16 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

What I find funny about Class II compared to class III is Class II is bound to fractions, but class III is not.

You mean in terms of odds? I suppose Class III games could have irrational numbers for its probabilities/returns. For example, making the probability of triggering a slot bonus game be the square root of 1/15,000. But in practice, I would think most Class III games can be expressed as fractions.

The return of "Not So Ugly Ducks" video poker with flawless strategy for example is 19,878,973,715,712/19,933,230,517,200 = 99.7278...%
onenickelmiracle
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March 1st, 2013 at 9:33:35 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

You mean in terms of odds? I suppose Class III games could have irrational numbers for its probabilities/returns. For example, making the probability of triggering a slot bonus game be the square root of 1/15,000. But in practice, I would think most Class III games can be expressed as fractions.

The return of "Not So Ugly Ducks" video poker with flawless strategy for example is 19,878,973,715,712/19,933,230,517,200 = 99.7278...%

Yup exactly what I meant. My friend used to make a lot of money on the stock market just due to the old school people only dealing in translated fractions to decimal points and he made money on their bad habits. Again, just find it funny Class II are bound by the 80 balls and as bad as they want to do the math, they cannot differ from the reality of the game which is based on 80 balls.
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tringlomane
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March 1st, 2013 at 10:01:27 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Yup exactly what I meant. My friend used to make a lot of money on the stock market just due to the old school people only dealing in translated fractions to decimal points and he made money on their bad habits. Again, just find it funny Class II are bound by the 80 balls and as bad as they want to do the math, they cannot differ from the reality of the game which is based on 80 balls.

Bingo is typically 75 balls; keno is 80 balls, fwiw. And have you ever played a Class II slot? Mathematical manipulation can make them behave very, very similar to Class III machines because they are allowed to assign numerous prizes of varying sizes to random bingo combinations. Basically the electronic bingo game functions are very similar to a Class III RNG. They just choose bingo balls instead of slot symbols.

I obviously have a soft spot for Class II games because the only slot jackpot I have ever won was because of some random pattern of bingo balls (most of the card covered) that I got in less than 48ish calls. But the main video screen showed me 5 "Texas Tea" symbols lined up instead just like you'd expect if you hit the jackpot in Vegas. The animation was identical to a Class III machine.
onenickelmiracle
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March 1st, 2013 at 10:12:12 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Bingo is typically 75 balls; keno is 80 balls, fwiw. And have you ever played a Class II slot? Mathematical manipulation can make them behave very, very similar to Class III machines because they are allowed to assign numerous prizes of varying sizes to random bingo combinations. Basically the electronic bingo game functions are very similar to a Class III RNG. They just choose bingo balls instead of slot symbols.

I obviously have a soft spot for Class II games because the only slot jackpot I have ever won was because of some random pattern of bingo balls (most of the card covered) that I got in less than 48ish calls. But the main video screen showed me 5 "Texas Tea" symbols lined up instead just like you'd expect if you hit the jackpot in Vegas. The animation was identical to a Class III machine.

Yes, under the influence of Heineken tonight. I meant 75. I have played class II slots in tiny proportions, but have played VLTs a lot where I have plenty of wins.
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PlayHunter
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March 2nd, 2013 at 7:12:40 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

(6) The term "class I gaming" means social games .. So any gaming defined as Class I is not electronic.

- So, by analogy, that means that any game which is not electronic must be categorized as Class I gaming ? - For example, blackjack tables with real people as dealers, are Class I gaming, while electronic blackjack tables must be categorized as Class III gaming ?

Therefore all online RNG blackjack games must be Class III while Live Dealer Online Games (BJ, baccarat, roullete) must be Class I ?

And the only Class I Slot games have to be the old mechanic ones with real mechanic reels rotating when you pull the lever down ?
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March 2nd, 2013 at 7:40:29 AM permalink
Quote: PlayHunter

- So, by analogy, that means ...

That is not at all an analogy. It is a completely false reversal of an if/then relationship.
MathExtremist
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March 2nd, 2013 at 9:23:16 AM permalink
Quote: PlayHunter

Quote: tringlomane

(6) The term "class I gaming" means social games .. So any gaming defined as Class I is not electronic.

- So, by analogy, that means that any game which is not electronic must be categorized as Class I gaming ? - For example, blackjack tables with real people as dealers, are Class I gaming, while electronic blackjack tables must be categorized as Class III gaming ?

Therefore all online RNG blackjack games must be Class III while Live Dealer Online Games (BJ, baccarat, roullete) must be Class I ?

And the only Class I Slot games have to be the old mechanic ones with real mechanic reels rotating when you pull the lever down ?

Blackjack and mechanical slots are both class III. Read the IGRA:
http://www.nigc.gov/Laws_Regulations/Indian_Gaming_Regulatory_Act.aspx
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