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FleaStiff
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August 12th, 2016 at 9:28:26 AM permalink
Sometimes I wish I had learned to play poker as a kid, but I've heard the term "poker face' and I sure do NOT have one. I'm cursed with the exact opposite of a poker face.

As to table size and rubbing elbows (and inadvertantly showing cards?)... some upscale places have large tables. Even the Seminoles in Florida use large tables, perhaps because the rooms are so popular.
JimRockford
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August 12th, 2016 at 9:59:45 AM permalink
I read TJ's article before playing live for the first time and found it very helpful. However, I'm sure the experienced players could tell I was a rookie. I can't handle chips as deftly them. I was also pretty nervous and it showed. It was harder to follow the action than I anticipated. It was even hard to see the community cards from the end of the table.
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gamerfreak
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August 12th, 2016 at 10:08:16 AM permalink
Quote: JimRockford

I read TJ's article before playing live for the first time and found it very helpful. However, I'm sure the experienced players could tell I was a rookie. I can't handle chips as deftly them. I was also pretty nervous and it showed. It was harder to follow the action than I anticipated. It was even hard to see the community cards from the end of the table.


Yea...I'm thinking about giving it a shot. I know 200% that I'm going to make several mistakes and look like a whore in church - but I'm not sure if there's any way around it other to deal with the embarrassment the first few sessions until I get into the swing of things.
docbrock
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August 12th, 2016 at 7:55:43 PM permalink
Wonderful article DJ. If it's not too late for a small addition, may I make a suggestion and ask your opinion of it?

I read early in the article that you recommend shopping around, where possible, for good rakes or rents. Would it add any value to also suggest shopping around for good BBJ drops?

Useful also might be to inquire into whether the house has a 'no flop, no drop' policy for hold 'em games, which, of course, saves players money if the pot is won or the blinds are chopped preflop.

Most of the casinos I've played at (AC and eastern PA) typically take a one-dollar drop from each pot to fund their Bad Beat Jackpot if they offer one. At least one casino that I know of, though, takes a TWO-dollar drop from each pot in addition to the 10%-to-$5 they take as a rake. And that's for a low-limit (1/2) NLH game.

I'd think that some might see a BBJ drop as akin to being forced to buy a $1 or $2 lottery ticket each time they win a pot, in addition to having to pay the casino its rake or rent fees.

If a player wins a $50 pot in a 10%-to-$5 raked 1/2 game with a $2 BBJ drop, they have to pay the house $7, or 14% of their $50 win. And further, they have little equity in the $2 that, by rule, they have to 'bet', and none whatsoever in the other $5.

Also, as I think about it, it may be useful to encourage folks to take notice of the size of the BBJ and also the rules surrounding qualifying hands -- the latter of which, of course, determines the likelihood of the BBJ being hit, long shots as they all may be. There are two casinos that I've played at that are relatively close to one another, but one takes a $1 BBJ drop and its jackpot is firmly entrenched in the six-figures, whereas the other takes a $2 drop and the jackpot is struggling to break $40k.

Just as a side note, I've observed that the 10/25 NLH game that comes together from time to time at Sands Bethlehem specifically states on the board that it's BBJ ineligible, leading me, at least, to believe that the players might be similarly-minded and would rather not be subject to a BBJ drop at all -- even though, if they did pay it, they'd have a chance at winning their respective portion of the jackpot were it to hit. And these are players who seem to dislike a dollar or so BBJ drop despite that they're often playing for $10k+ stacks.

Cheers

BB
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DJTeddyBear
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August 13th, 2016 at 10:15:42 AM permalink
JimRockford, GameFreak, et al -

Yeah, I seriously doubt any rookie can read my article, even if they do immerse themselves into it as I suggest, and then not look like a rookie their first time out. So don't beat yourselves up over it. On the flip side, as a result of reading the article, maybe you had fewer mistakes than you would have otherwise, and/or are less likely to avoid trying again.


docbrock -

Sorry you're new here and didn't see the post in the four years that it's been there, with occasional edits as suggested by members. But now that it's an article, I'm sticking a fork in it and calling it done. No more edits.

Of course, I'll still address questions.

Regarding shopping for favorable Bad Beat rakes... Yeah, I agree with you. When I first wrote it, I never knew of any room that does a $2 BB rake, and no member mentioned it, so it never hit my radar. Besides, it kinda falls into the category of simply shopping for a good room.

And your comment that $10/$25 games don't have a BB drop is irrelevant since no newbie is gonna play at those levels.

I suspect that there are several reasons that big game players don't like the BB jackpot. I don't know if the pot size being close to the BBJ payout being one of them, but wouldn't doubt it. Another reason is that the lower stakes players will often chase the BBJ (and High Hand Bonus), thereby making it more likely that it will hit at a lower stakes table. So, regardless of their ability to afford it, why should the big players pay?

On a side note: Are you at Sands often? I'm usually there once or twice a week, often on a Monday evening, playing $1/$2 or craps. If you see me, say Hi!
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gamerfreak
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August 13th, 2016 at 10:54:50 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

On a side note: Are you at Sands often? I'm usually there once or twice a week, often on a Monday evening, playing $1/$2 or craps. If you see me, say Hi!


Where would you recommend in the area for a first timer? Sands, Parx, Harrah's Philly, AC?? I want the lowest denomination limit game possible.
DJTeddyBear
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August 13th, 2016 at 12:55:44 PM permalink
I go to Sands only because its closest to my northern NJ home. I may sound like a poker guru, but it's really occasional short trips. I still have a real job.

So I can't really make a recommendation.
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docbrock
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August 15th, 2016 at 6:14:02 PM permalink
Hey everyone,

gamerfreak, if you're looking to play the lowest live no-limit hold 'em (NLH) game just to get your feet wet, I'd recommend the 1-1 NLH game at Bally's Wild Wild West in AC. The three adjacent casinos - Bally's, Bally's WWW and Caesars - are all part of the Caesars Entertainment group and consolidated what once were three separate poker rooms into a single poker room in WWW. I don't go to that room very often, so I'd recommend checking Bravo Poker Live (you can google it or download the app) or calling to see if the game is running, but in my experience there's been at least one game going pretty much every time I've been there (which is mostly on the weekends). The max buy-in is less than the $300 at 1/2, but I can't recall exactly what it is.

If you do go, make sure to get a players' card and swipe in when you play because as long as you play for at least two hours, regardless of stakes, you can go to the podium and get a voucher for free parking. Parking at any of those three casinos can be as high as $40/car on the weekends.

If you're looking for an even cheaper alternative and you're willing to play limit poker (where bet and raise sizing is restricted to certain amounts depending upon the size of the game), you can find 2/4 limit games at many casinos in AC and PA. At 2/4 you can buy in for $100 (a rack of white) and depending upon how you want to play you can make it last for hours or just throw some money around and have a good time with little downside risk.

DJ, yea, that'd be awesome to play some cards at the Sands. I'm kinda back and forth between NEPA and Jerz, so I'm at the Sands occasionally but not all the time. I like going midweek after work because games are much easier to get into and waits are shorter -- as I'm sure you know Sands downsized their poker room a couple years ago so waiting on the weekends for 1/2 or 2/5 can take a while, as sometimes there'll be no deadspreads in the entire room and so nowhere to call new games, causing the lists to balloon to 20 or more people.

You make a good point about the no BBJ at 10/25 being irrelevant because yea, I agree with what you said, a person reading your handbook wouldn't be looking to play for those stakes their first time out.

And yea, I can see it being unprofitable at medium- to higher-stakes games as you also said: I remember the 'small' BBJ getting hit at Borgata at a 5/10 game with quads over quads and the winner and loser of the hand both effectively broke even because the loser of the hand got stacked but got paid a larger proportion of the BBJ and the winner won the pot but got a smaller cut of the jackpot.

Do you ever play in AC, living in North Jersey, or is it closer to go to PA?

Cheers

BB

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