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JimRockford
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:40:46 AM permalink
Please go ahead and pull the trigger an make this an article. I know you have not been completely satisfied with the edit, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the outstanding.
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DJTeddyBear
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May 26th, 2014 at 12:03:56 PM permalink
Are you saying that *I* haven't been satisfied? Quite the contrary. I'm quite happy with it.

But I think that most (all?) authors, whether it's fiction, non-fiction, or whatever, when they re-read it, they find little errors that can be fixed or gaps that could be filled in.

Although I never emailed or PM'd Mike, I did POST on page 6, that we should stick a fork in it and call it "done".


OK. I'll email him...
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mickeycrimm
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May 26th, 2014 at 12:36:00 PM permalink
DJ, here are some of my observations that you may be able to use:

Some people refer to $1-$2 and $2-$5 No Limit as "Low-Limit No Limit." I used to do this myself until I got corrected. The term is a misnomer. The actual term is "Small Blind No Limit."

There used to be two kinds of 4-8 games in Vegas. There was "1-4-8 Spread Limit" and "4 & 8."

The 1-4-8 games had $1 and $2 binds.
The 4 & 8 Games had $2 and $4 blinds.

In the 1-4-8 games, preflop the betting was anywhere from $2 to $4. On the flop the betting was anywhere from $1 to $4. On the turn and river the betting was anywhere from $1 to $8.
In the 4 & 8 games, preflop and on the flop, the betting was in $4 increments. On the turn and river the betting was in $8 increments.

The true term for a 10/20 game is 10 & 20 to distinguish it from a spread limit game.

The $2-$4 holdem games became a phenomenon in Vegas after the Moneymaker WSOP. The publicity of that WSOP caused a huge influx of tourists walking though the Horseshoe and railbirding the poker games. We were mostly playing 4/8 and 10/20. For whatever reason the tourists were intimdated by such high limits. LOL. The Horseshoe started spreading 2/4 to get the tourists into the games. It became a thing where they might have 4 or 5 of these 2/4 games everyday, 3 or 4 4/8 games, a 10/20 game, and a 1/2 No Limit.

The big difference was the 2/4 games were being raked 10% max $4, while the 4/8's and 10/20 were being raked just 5% max $4.
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AxelWolf
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May 26th, 2014 at 7:36:56 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

DJ, here are some of my observations that you may be able to use:

Some people refer to $1-$2 and $2-$5 No Limit as "Low-Limit No Limit." I used to do this myself until I got corrected. The term is a misnomer. The actual term is "Small Blind No Limit."

There used to be two kinds of 4-8 games in Vegas. There was "1-4-8 Spread Limit" and "4 & 8."

The 1-4-8 games had $1 and $2 binds.
The 4 & 8 Games had $2 and $4 blinds.

In the 1-4-8 games, preflop the betting was anywhere from $2 to $4. On the flop the betting was anywhere from $1 to $4. On the turn and river the betting was anywhere from $1 to $8.
In the 4 & 8 games, preflop and on the flop, the betting was in $4 increments. On the turn and river the betting was in $8 increments.

The true term for a 10/20 game is 10 & 20 to distinguish it from a spread limit game.

The $2-$4 holdem games became a phenomenon in Vegas after the Moneymaker WSOP. The publicity of that WSOP caused a huge influx of tourists walking though the Horseshoe and railbirding the poker games. We were mostly playing 4/8 and 10/20. For whatever reason the tourists were intimdated by such high limits. LOL. The Horseshoe started spreading 2/4 to get the tourists into the games. It became a thing where they might have 4 or 5 of these 2/4 games everyday, 3 or 4 4/8 games, a 10/20 game, and a 1/2 No Limit.

The big difference was the 2/4 games were being raked 10% max $4, while the 4/8's and 10/20 were being raked just 5% max $4.

10 and 20 limit games in Horseshoe after money maker? I never seen this. In all the years I played, they has 1-2 NL or the small limit games. Occasionally some 5-10 NL or dealers choice. During the WSOP the year Ferguson there was a nice mix of games.
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DJTeddyBear
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:44:53 PM permalink
I appreciate the input, but I think that's stuff that would fall under the category of questions to ask when you are at the sign-in podium.

After all, this article is already kinda long to be considered an "introduction" ...
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mickeycrimm
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May 26th, 2014 at 9:07:40 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

10 and 20 limit games in Horseshoe after money maker? I never seen this. In all the years I played, they has 1-2 NL or the small limit games. Occasionally some 5-10 NL or dealers choice. During the WSOP the year Ferguson there was a nice mix of games.



The 10/20 players moved to no limit and it killed the 10/20 game. The 4/8 Omaha got stolen by Boulder Station. The 1/2 No Limits pretty much took over in Vegas.
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AxelWolf
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:37:15 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

The 10/20 players moved to no limit and it killed the 10/20 game. The 4/8 Omaha got stolen by Boulder Station. The 1/2 No Limits pretty much took over in Vegas.

And now its dying again. Not sure if even full online legalization can bring it back. Not sure if poker would have remained popular and gotten stronger if the events leading Black Friday had not happened or if poker was just a fad. Eventually everyone might have gotten tired of going broke.
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May 27th, 2014 at 6:48:30 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

And now its dying again. Not sure if even full online legalization can bring it back. Not sure if poker would have remained popular and gotten stronger if the events leading Black Friday had not happened or if poker was just a fad. Eventually everyone might have gotten tired of going broke.



I didn't realize that poker was a dieing game in Vegas.
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DJTeddyBear
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May 27th, 2014 at 9:38:58 AM permalink
Yeah. There aren't as many poker rooms as there were back in the day. And most of those that are still open, are smaller than they once were.

Frankly, I think Black Friday had a big, if indirect, affect on the poker boom.

No more internet poker, no more advertising from internet poker rooms.
No more advertising, no more poker on TV.
No poker on TV, no more new people discover the game.
Or at least a lot fewer. And those that are only marginally interested, lose interest.
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Mikey75
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May 27th, 2014 at 1:37:01 PM permalink
I don't know about vegas but once Harrahs closes in Tunica there will only be two poker rooms left in Tunica. Gold Strike closed their poker room to open a new non smoking casino a couple months ago. Hollywood still has a poker room but I don't think it's 24 hours anymore. Horseshoe still has it's poker room and it is always packed.

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