FleaStiff
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November 11th, 2011 at 8:17:03 AM permalink
Rivers Casino never had any floor or surveillance people spot anything amiss. Since the dealer was stealing from winning hands it appears the players never noticed either but the dealer was mucking the cards in such a manner that he could have a chip under the mucked cards and then push the pot to the winner.

The casinos computers noticed his tips had an almost four hundred dollar increase in a week and pulled all his surveillance tapes for examination.
RonC
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November 11th, 2011 at 8:23:27 AM permalink
Interesting--they use every tool to protect their interests... It is the inside jobs that can burn the worst--I'm not surprised they check tips against previous results. Any idea how long he got away with it???


I was at Casino Royale last month and they were taling about the employee who came in disguised and attempted to cash some black chips. Didn't work so well for him...
FleaStiff
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November 25th, 2011 at 5:19:13 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

Any idea how long he got away with it???...

Not really, but I concluded from the news source that they caught him fairly promptly since the computer had flagged the large difference between his Former Tips and Present Tips. So the casino must have caught it promptly. I'm surprized no bettor who won realized chips had been taken from the pot.
andysif
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November 25th, 2011 at 5:36:03 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Not really, but I concluded from the news source that they caught him fairly promptly since the computer had flagged the large difference between his Former Tips and Present Tips. So the casino must have caught it promptly. I'm surprized no bettor who won realized chips had been taken from the pot.


I am not surprised. Winners usually don't count.
What I am surprised is, the dealer put the stolen chip into his tips? Now that is stupid.
AZDuffman
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November 25th, 2011 at 5:51:31 PM permalink
Quote: andysif

I am not surprised. Winners usually don't count.
What I am surprised is, the dealer put the stolen chip into his tips? Now that is stupid.



Little choice. I mentioned it here earlier, Rivers Employees are not allowed to have ANY cash in their pockets, including cheques. I haven't noticed if the uniforms have pockets or not, but to be caught with a cheque is to lose your job and license. To take $400 in a week in nuts. Seems about $1 a pot. Too much. Lets remember the quote from the movie:

"If he hadn't been so greedy he would have been harder to spot. But in the end, they're all greedy." --Robert DiNereo as Sam "Ace" Rothstein (Frank Rosenthal) in "Casino."
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AZDuffman
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November 25th, 2011 at 5:51:33 PM permalink
Quote: andysif

I am not surprised. Winners usually don't count.
What I am surprised is, the dealer put the stolen chip into his tips? Now that is stupid.



Little choice. I mentioned it here earlier, Rivers Employees are not allowed to have ANY cash in their pockets, including cheques. I haven't noticed if the uniforms have pockets or not, but to be caught with a cheque is to lose your job and license. To take $400 in a week in nuts. Seems about $1 a pot. Too much. Lets remember the quote from the movie:

"If he hadn't been so greedy he would have been harder to spot. But in the end, they're all greedy." --Robert DiNereo as Sam "Ace" Rothstein (Frank Rosenthal) in "Casino."
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Paigowdan
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November 25th, 2011 at 5:57:03 PM permalink
The vast number of cheats have a shot of not getting caught if not for noticable greed that puts them into the radar.
I googled the Pittsburgh story, a 25-year old kid went from $179 in daily tips to $500+ and was flagged.

He was ARRESTED for CASINO CHEATING (ahem, cough, cough....), and was saddled with a $75,000 fine.

His life has changed forever....
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November 25th, 2011 at 6:21:30 PM permalink
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DJTeddyBear
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November 25th, 2011 at 10:38:44 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I'm surprized no bettor who won realized chips had been taken from the pot.

I'm not. Have you ever played or watched poker in a casino? One of the standard procedures is for the dealer to create a pot that is specifically difficult to count. If a player asks about the pot, all the dealer is allowed to do is to spread the chips a bit to make it easier to estimate the pot size.

The only way a player might notice something amiss is to watch the chips being pulled for the rake. It seems that in this case, the dealer raked an extra $1 chip or two. Unless a player watched and saw that chips pulled for the rake didn't make it into the rake drop slot, who would know?
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FleaStiff
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November 26th, 2011 at 1:15:47 AM permalink
The obvious question arises: How much money is being made in poker rooms wherein dealers are permitted to have shirt pockets?

Why are pots pushed in a difficult to count manner?
Why are raked chips permitted to be raked through or near the muck?

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