Can you Indentify Collusion, or team play?

I DID ASK WIZARD BEFORE POSTING ALL OF THESE HANDS. I don't have enough space to properly show the whole possible matter of collusion, or team play. It shows 2 players that played poker hands in
a parntership, or alliance position. They played with a pattern of limitations towards each other, or softplay. I imagine poker collusion online happens more . Faster the speed of the game eaiser it's to conceal and conduct collusion effectively without being recongized by new players sitting at home , maybe drinking a beer, playing on 4 tables at once.
Anyway player7, and player8 are the team players, or playing with limitation toward each. Player7, and 8 eventually will take turns playing Player1.
This post ends at 219, and the best is the last ten hands thats not shown here. Player1 thought he was being targeted by these players, but still kept played till he had enough hands to give for proof. Thats where these 2 team players messed up, they played to many hands to get players1 stack. Either these two players are practicing collusion to go to higher stakes, or they prey on small stakes players hoping nobody will care if they cheat in small stakes table.
just showing if player7,and 8. bet, folded, called, or checked each other, and what players they did bet against.

game id="32659440-162"
<player seat="0" nickname="WowWowWubzy" balance="$2.61" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.14" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="4" nickname="lvfeng" balance="$8.58" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="6" nickname="Supplies" balance="$6.79" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.64" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.80" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782027602" player="7" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782028113" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782031147" player="0" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782035414" player="1" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="7" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782042514" player="7"/>
<event sequence="8" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782044236" player="8" amount="0.04"/>

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<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782060470" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782060910" player="0" amount="0.04"/>
<round id="PREFLOP" sequence="2">
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782064185" player="1"/>
<event sequence="6" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782070764" player="7"/>
<event sequence="7" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782074640" player="8" amount="0.02"/>


<game id="32659440-164"
<und id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782090062" player="0" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782094248" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<round id="PREFLOP" sequence="2">
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782101418" player="6" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782105985" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="6" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782106376" player="8"/>
<event sequence="7" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782108789" player="0" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="8" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782113856" player="1" amount="0.39"/


id="32659440-165
</players>
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782124121" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782125403" player="4" amount="0.04"/>
<round id="PREFLOP" sequence="2"
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782131151" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782132904" player="8"/>

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<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782152922" player="4" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782153163" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782155566" player="8"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782159752" player="1"/
<event sequence="7" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782166302" player="7" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="8" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782168275" player="0" amount="0.04"/>


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<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782187592" player="7" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782188003" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<round id="PREFLOP" sequence="2">
<event sequence="3" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782190386" player="0" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="4" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782200731" player="1" amount="0.25"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782204657" player="4"/>
<event sequence="6" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782207761" player="7"/>
<event sequence="7" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782209564" player="8"/>


<game id="32659440-168"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782256351" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782256742" player="0" amount="0.04"/>
<round id="PREFLOP" sequence="2">
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782269520" player="1"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782272575" player="4"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782276150" player="7"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782279354" player="8" amount="0.02"/>



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<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782307204" player="0" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782308166" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782313063" player="4"/>
<event sequence="4" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782316828" player="7" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782318651" player="8"/>
<event sequence="7" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782322436" player="1"/>


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<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782352399" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782353120" player="4" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782356966" player="7"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782358678" player="8"/


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<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
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<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782396523" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782401079" player="8" amount="0.12"/>
<event sequence="7" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782414238" player="7"/>



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<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782430361" player="7" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782430752" player="8" amount="0.04"/> </round>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782435128" player="1"/>
<event sequence="5" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782441868" player="4" amount="0.12"/>
<event sequence="6" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782445183" player="7"/>
<event sequence="7" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782446465" player="8" amount="0.08"/>


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<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
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<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782467585" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782474425" player="4" amount="0.12"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782477730" player="7"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782478110" player="8"/>
<event sequence="6" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782481715" player="1"/>


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<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
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<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782487043" player="4" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782490808" player="7" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782491139" player="8"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782492921" player="1"/>


<game id="32659440-175"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782502986" player="4" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782503266" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782505479" player="8"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782516766" player="1"/>


<game id="32659440-176"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782525699" player="7" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782526099" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782529424" player="1"/>
<event sequence="4" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782535042" player="4" amount="0.12"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782537425" player="7"/>
<event sequence="6" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782540540" player="8"/>


<game id="32659440-177"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.88" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="4" nickname="lvfeng" balance="$8.75" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.34" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.68" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782544095" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782544736" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782548491" player="4"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782552747" player="7"/>
<event sequence="5" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782555471" player="8" amount="0.12"/>
<event sequence="6" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782562391" player="1"/>


<game id="32659440-178"
<players dealer="8">
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782566728" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782567719" player="4" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782572486" player="7"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782573698" player="8"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782583191" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782587457" player="4"/>


<game id="32659440-179"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782601447" player="4" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782601818" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782603761" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782606074" player="1"/>
<event sequence="5" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782612784" player="4" amount="0.12"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782615478" player="7" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="7" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782616870" player="8" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="8" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782621296" player="4"/>
<event sequence="9" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782624120" player="7"/>
<event sequence="10" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782625302" player="8"/>
<event sequence="12" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782633283" player="7"/>
<event sequence="13" type="BET" timestamp="1300782636718" player="8" amount="0.20"/>
<event sequence="14" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782640213" player="4"/>
<event sequence="15" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782643929" player="7"/>



<game id="32659440-180"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782648695" player="7" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782649106" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782651960" player="1"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782656877" player="4"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782660613" player="7"/>


<game id="32659440-181"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782664378" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782665179" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782670106" player="4"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782673491" player="7"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782676515" player="8"/>


<game id="32659440-182"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782679810" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782682704" player="4" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782687181" player="7" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782688633" player="8"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782690465" player="1"/>


<game id="32659440-183"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782705127" player="4" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782705387" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="INITIAL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782706068" player="0" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782708071" player="8"/>
<event sequence="5" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782712607" player="0" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="6" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782714019" player="1"/>
<event sequence="7" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782716773" player="4"/>
<event sequence="8" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782720208" player="7"/>


<game id="32659440-184"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782723022" player="7" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782723493" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782726998" player="0" amount="0.14"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782729902" player="1"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782733227" player="7"/>
<event sequence="6" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782735009" player="8"/>


<game id="32659440-185"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782738024" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782738404" player="0" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782744984" player="1"/>
<event sequence="4" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782748259" player="7" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782749500" player="8"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782750982" player="0" amount="0.04"/>


<game id="32659440-186"
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782762960" player="0" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782763801" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782766074" player="7" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782767737" player="8"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782778402" player="0"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782780495" player="1" amount="0.04"/


<game id="32659440-187"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.64" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.36" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.89" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782815355" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782815776" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782817458" player="8"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782819361" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782824138" player="7"/>


<game id="32659440-188"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.68" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.32" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.89" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782844166" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782844727" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782848192" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782850095" player="8"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782851938" player="8"/>
<event sequence="6" type="BET" timestamp="1300782855833" player="1" amount="0.17"/>
<event sequence="7" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782858307" player="8"/>



PLAYER #7 SITS OUT. So he doesnt have to play player#8,.Or sitting out to
better hide team play with player#8. PLAYER#8 BETS. PLAYER#8 HAS MADE 4 bets or raises and PLAYER#7 has FOLd 3,and sit out one.
player#7 has made ( 5 ) bets, or raises, and player#8 has folded them all.

<game id="32659440-189"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.72" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.32" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.85" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782861421" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782861842" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782864155" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782866048" player="1"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782870044" player="1"/>
<event sequence="6" type="BET" timestamp="1300782872998" player="8" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="7" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782877104" player="1"/>


PLAYER 7 SITS OUT ON PLAYERS 8 BLIND

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<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.68" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.32" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.89" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782881240" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782881700" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="SIT_IN" timestamp="1300782883543" player="7"/>
<event sequence="4" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782885035" player="1" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782887138" player="8"/>


PLAYER#7 SITS OUT, PLAYER#8 RAISES

<game id="32659440-191" s
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.72" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.32" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.85" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782890533" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782890944" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782892586" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782894379" player="1"/>
<event sequence="5" type="BET" timestamp="1300782896632" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782899356" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="7" type="BET" timestamp="1300782902841" player="8" amount="0.12"/>
<event sequence="8" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782904463" player="1" amount="0.12"/>
<event sequence="9" type="BET" timestamp="1300782910302" player="8" amount="0.12"/>
<event sequence="10" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782912064" player="1" amount="0.12"/>


PLAYER#7 IS BACK! PLAYER #8 FOLDS ON
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<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.40" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.32" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.14" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782915789" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782916060" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782918293" player="8"/>
<event sequence="4" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300782922289" player="1" amount="0.17"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782924983" player="7" amount="0.13"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CHAT" timestamp="1300782926905" player="pokerfilter" text="river"/>
<event sequence="6" type="ALL_IN" timestamp="1300782928918" player="1" amount="3.23"/>
<event sequence="7" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782932554" player="7"/>


pLAYER #7 SITS OUT ON PLAYERS#8 BLIND AND SITS BACK IN.
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<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.56" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.15" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.14" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782935968" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782936499" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="SIT_IN" timestamp="1300782938572" player="7"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CHAT" timestamp="1300782939654" player="misterYOO" text=":D"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782940235" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782942157" player="8"/
<event sequence="6" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782944431" player="8"/>
<event sequence="7" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782946403" player="1"/


PLAYER#7 TRIES TO GET IN THIS HAND.

<game id="32659440-194"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.52" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.15" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.18" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782960514" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782960924" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782962567" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782964660" player="1"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782966923" player="8"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782969567" player="1"/>
<event sequence="7" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782972531" player="8"/>
<event sequence="8" type="BET" timestamp="1300782976176" player="1" amount="0.14"/>
<event sequence="9" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782981344" player="8"/>


PLAYER#7 IS IN HAND, PLAYER#8 FOLD ON PLAYER#7 BLIND

<game id="32659440-195"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.56" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.15" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.14" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300782984598" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300782984779" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300782986491" player="8"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300782988314" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782990687" player="7"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782994993" player="1"/>
<event sequence="7" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300782999600" player="7"/>
<cards type="COMMUNITY" cards="8h,9h,Jh" hand="Jack High Straight"/>


PLAYER#7 SITS OUT ON PLAYER#8 BLIND. PLAYER#8 CALLS RAISE

<game id="32659440-196"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.60" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.11" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.14" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783011056" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783011487" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783015062" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783017526" player="8"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783019499" player="8"/>
<event sequence="6" type="BET" timestamp="1300783025788" player="1" amount="0.14"/>
<event sequence="7" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783027140" player="8" amount="0.14"/>



PLAYER#7 SITS OUT WHILE PLAYER#8 TRIES TO REGAIN

<game id="32659440-197"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.90" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.11" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.81" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783042612" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783043022" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300783048110" player="8" amount="0.20"/>
<event sequence="4" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783057163" player="1"/>


PLAYER#7 SITS OUT. AND SITS IN DURING HAND. PLAYER#8 RAISES

<game id="32659440-198"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.86" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.11" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.85" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783062470" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783062851" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="SIT_IN" timestamp="1300783064603" player="7"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783066346" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="5" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300783069430" player="8" amount="0.20"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783072024" player="1" amount="0.16"/>


PLAYER#7 DOESN'T GET IN THIS HAND, AND PLAYER8 CALLS

<game id="32659440-199"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.66" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.11" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.03" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783090771" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="1" type="CHAT" timestamp="1300783091142" player="pokerfilter" text="bluff"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783091422" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783094486" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783096860" player="1"/>


PLAYER#7 IS BACK, AND RAISES, PLAYER 8 FOLDED

<game id="32659440-200"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.62" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.11" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.07" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783114705" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783114946" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783116728" player="8"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783118871" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="5" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300783122046" player="7" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783124169" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="7" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783133072" player="1"/>
<event sequence="8" type="BET" timestamp="1300783138670" player="7" amount="0.16"/>
<event sequence="9" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783144418" player="1"/>


PLAYER#7 SITS OUT ON PLAYERS 8 BLIND.
<game id="32659440-201"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.54" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.19" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.07" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783156936" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783157347" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783161343" player="1"/>


PLAYER#7 TRIED TO GET IN THIS HAND, BUT WAS TO LATE

<game id="32659440-202" s
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.52" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.19" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.09" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783165699" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783166179" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783168032" player="8"/


PLAYER# 7 KEEPS SITTING OUT ON PLAYERS #8 BLIND.

<game id="32659440-203"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.54" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.19" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.07" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783171557" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783171998" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783175763" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="6" type="BET" timestamp="1300783184045" player="1" amount="0.14"/>
<event sequence="7" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783185597" player="8"/>


PLAYER# 7 SITS IN

<game id="32659440-204"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.58" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.19" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.03" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783188762" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783189193" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="SIT_IN" timestamp="1300783191326" player="7"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783191556" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="5" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300783197885" player="1" amount="0.18"/>


NO BETS BETWEEN #7 AND #8
<game id="32659440-205"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$1.55" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.19" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$3.86" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783232144" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783232415" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783234297" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783236220" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="15" type="SHOW" timestamp="1300783265312" player="1"/>
<event sequence="16" type="SHOW" timestamp="1300783265903" player="7"/>
<event sequence="17" type="SHOW" timestamp="1300783266464" player="8"/>

PLAYER#7 SIT OUT ON PLAYERS#8 BLIND

<game id="32659440-206" >
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$1.51" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.15" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$3.94" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783268897" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783269298" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783272893" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783274125" player="8"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783275867" player="8"/>
<event sequence="6" type="BET" timestamp="1300783280914" player="1" amount="0.22"/>
<event sequence="7" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783282427" player="8" amount="0.22"/>


PLAYER# 7 SITS IN FOR NEXT HAND, PLAYER#8 RAISES


<game id="32659440-207">
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$1.75" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.15" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$3.68" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783310287" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783310807" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="SIT_IN" timestamp="1300783312800" player="7"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783313371" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="6" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783319099" player="1"/>
<event sequence="7" type="BET" timestamp="1300783320561" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="8" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783323135" player="1" amount="0.04"/>


<game id="32659440-208"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.33" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.15" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.93" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783351486" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783351786" player="7" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783355682" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783357715" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="10" type="BET" timestamp="1300783381649" player="7" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="11" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783383792" player="8" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="12" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783388479" player="1" amount="0.08"/>
<event sequence="16" type="SHOW" timestamp="1300783400166" player="1"/>
<event sequence="17" type="MUCK" timestamp="1300783409940" player="7"/>
<event sequence="18" type="SHOW" timestamp="1300783410651" player="8"/>
<cards type="SHOWN" cards="2h,2s" player="1"/>
<cards type="MUCKED" cards="3h,Jc" player="7"/>
<cards type="SHOWN" cards="8c,Qh" player="8"/>


WHY #7 BET?? PER-FLOP WITH 3J

PLAYER# 7 SITS OUT ON pLAYERS#8 BLIND

<game id="32659440-209"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.21" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.03" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$2.16" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783413014" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783413415" player="8" amount="0.04"/> < <event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783417931" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300783420916" player="8" amount="0.16"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783425623" player="1" amount="0.12"/>
<event sequence="6" type="BET" timestamp="1300783431010" player="8" amount="0.20"/>
<event sequence="7" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300783433284" player="1" amount="0.40"/>
<event sequence="8" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783434776" player="8" amount="0.20"/>
<event sequence="9" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783436538" player="8"/>
<event sequence="10" type="ALL_IN" timestamp="1300783438361" player="1" amount="2.65"/>
<event sequence="11" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783442297" player="8"/>


PLAYER#7 IS OUT,AND PLAYER 8 FOLDS ANTE

<game id="32659440-210"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.72" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.03" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.60" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783445571" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783445972" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783448195" player="8"/>


PLAYER#7 OUT, PLAYER #8 RAISES

<game id="32659440-211" >
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.74" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.03" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.58" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783451480" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783451880" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783455255" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="RAISE" timestamp="1300783461504" player="8" amount="0.24"/>
<event sequence="5" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783465430" player="1"/>


PLAYER#7 SITS OUT, PLAYER#8 BETS

<game id="32659440-212" >
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.70" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.03" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.62" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783469526" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783469966" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783472149" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783474683" player="1"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783478729" player="1"/>
<event sequence="6" type="BET" timestamp="1300783481483" player="8" amount="0.16"/>
<event sequence="7" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783487632" player="1"/>

PLAYER#7 SIT OUT, PLAYER#8 BETS

<game id="32659440-213"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.66" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.03" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.66" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783491828" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783492359" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783499058" player="1" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="9" type="BET" timestamp="1300783512007" player="8" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="10" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783516824" player="1"/>

PLAYER& SITS OUT. PLAYER8 FOLDS,

<game id="32659440-214"
<player seat="1" nickname="pokerfilter" balance="$3.62" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="freedom1600" balance="$7.03" dealtin="false" />
<player seat="8" nickname="misterYOO" balance="$1.70" dealtin="true" />
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1300783520609" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1300783521160" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="3" type="CALL" timestamp="1300783525636" player="8" amount="0.02"/>
<event sequence="4" type="CHECK" timestamp="1300783528040" player="1"/>
<event sequence="5" type="BET" timestamp="1300783531695" player="1" amount="0.04"/>
<event sequence="6" type="FOLD" timestamp="1300783534379" player="8"/>

I say..... maybe. Post more examples if you have them.

You're worried about collusion in a poker game where the small blind is two cents?

Whats with the ethical thinking of some pepole that the amount of money defines if it's cheating or not. If you cheat at small stakes it's okay.
Small stakes players don't need to play in a fair game. Mathextremist when its NL a small blind really doesn't effect the value a pot can get.
playing nl at a small stakes helps when you get dealt alot of 3s, and 8s. Dont have to ante a 1.00 to see 3 8.

Quote: 40487

Whats with the ethical thinking of some pepole that the amount of money defines if it's cheating or not. If you cheat at small stakes it's okay.

Why would anyone possibly bother cheating at microstakes? It's not like you're playing for money.

Quote: 40487

playing nl at a small stakes helps when you get dealt alot of 3s, and 8s. Dont have to ante a 1.00 to see 3 8.

No, playing at microstakes never helps. You lose less, you win way less.

And yes, the blinds do affect how large the pot can get. First of all, neither live nor online casinos allow large stack buy-ins at low-stake games. Second, if they did, 1c/2c blinds with $1,000 pots would make the game boring and dominated by ultra-TAG players - or, online, by bots. Third, they don't.

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;;Why would anyone possibly bother cheating at microstakes? It's not like you're playing for money.



No, playing at microstakes never helps. You lose less, you win way less.
And yes, the blinds do affect how large the pot can get. First of all, neither live nor online casinos allow large stack buy-ins at low-stake games. Second, if they did, 1c/2c blinds with $1,000 pots would make the game boring and dominated by ultra-TAG players - or, online, by bots. Third, they don't.[

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Thats like ask why would anybody rob a gas station when the bank is two blocks away.



You never been dealt cards equal to 3-9 for 30 hands in a row. thats around 96.00 dollars in blinds for 2-6 3-2 6-2 5-6 4-10 6-8 j-4 q-2 8-7 2-5 10-4 q-4 8-5 3-A 5-6 4-6 5-Q 2-Q 9-7 2-8 4-8 2-A 5-7 8-5 A-2 6-8 J-3 4-5 7-8 this is mt actual random dealt pocket cards at 4/8 blinds never again. All my hold'em pocket cards
online look excatly like these. Some are worse then these. Random.



Reasons why to scam in small stakes . Less security in small stakes. More players to go after. More tables to hide in. Players are new mostly to poker. Newbies are afraid to complain.
Who would listen to a newbie if he complained? And newbie except they're going to lose alot on the learning curve. Think about some countries $5.00 american dollars is worth $40.00 of their countries dollar. So you don't need to take risky chance playing with skilled players . And so many new small stakers you don't have to cheat the same player over. And if caught your not losing 1,000 of dollars.

40487, can you please try to proofread and actually format your posts? I don't know what was wrong with the usual quote feature that you saw a need to break it, nor can I understand why you inserted a random hard return mid sentence.

To answer your subjective questions, it really comes down to what you consider more likely - seeing a series of bad cards or bad beats within a larger series of games, or being victim to a conspiracy to cheat you out of several dollars.

Without getting into the details of 40487's allegations, what is there to prevent me from using 20 different screen names, going to a website and sitting at tables until 2 are at the same table?

Generally, the software will not allow you to use multiple screen names from one computer simultaneously.

If you have multiple computers, then in most cases, the software *may* detect that both are from the same IP address. Then again, maybe not.

However, it IS forbidden in the terms of service....

Quote: SOOPOO

Without getting into the details of 40487's allegations, what is there to prevent me from using 20 different screen names, going to a website and sitting at tables until 2 are at the same table?

What if you did it and sat at tables until 9 of you and 1 of 40487 was at the table. Then you could really fleece him:-)

Most of the sites have IP trackers that keep people in close proximity from playing against each other. My roommate and I qualified for the same tournament once, and I had to run to the library to play because we couldn't both sit at the same table if we both played from home.

Micro games are serious business. Once in a while when I got bored of NL holdem I would try to learn new game, like limit holdem, omaha, 7stud etc. I decided a good place to start would be at a low stakes table (~.02/.05), and went in expecting a friendly social experience since the money involved wasn't significant, maybe even get some pointers from the other players. Boy was I wrong! There were whiners everywhere, calling out every draw they missed, claiming the rng was rigged, throwing really nasty names at each other. One guy who got outdrawn said "now you will pay for it". I assumed that meant he was going to win his money back, but instead he started dragging out every decision, waiting the full 30 seconds before clicking check. He did this every hand on every street until I quit. Nasty place, those micro tables.

Anyway to stay on topic do players cheat at micro stakes, possibly, but they would be more like college buddies coordinating on web chat and giggling about it, in fact I would bet half of them can't properly use the information obtained from seeing an extra hand. That as opposed to scamming for a living as you suggest; the profit is simply too low to justify.

Quote: rdw4potus

Most of the sites have IP trackers that keep people in close proximity from playing against each other. My roommate and I qualified for the same tournament once, and I had to run to the library to play because we couldn't both sit at the same table if we both played from home.

Good times yo! Once by the time I got to the library my roommate had already busted out. I whined to the other players about it but turns out he was observing my table the entire time.

Quote: 40487

Whats with the ethical thinking of some pepole that the amount of money defines if it's cheating or not. If you cheat at small stakes it's okay.
Small stakes players don't need to play in a fair game. Mathextremist when its NL a small blind really doesn't effect the value a pot can get.
playing nl at a small stakes helps when you get dealt alot of 3s, and 8s. Dont have to ante a 1.00 to see 3 8.

I neither said nor implied that cheating is ethical. Cheating is cheating, period, but sometimes it doesn't practically matter, and more often than that it's not worth your time to police. If you drive over the speed limit by one-half mile per hour, technically you're speeding. No cop is ever going to write you a ticket. So again, why are you worried about two-penny poker?

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Generally, the software will not allow you to use multiple screen names from one computer simultaneously.

If you have multiple computers, then in most cases, the software *may* detect that both are from the same IP address. Then again, maybe not.

However, it IS forbidden in the terms of service....

I take your answer as, cheating is easy, then. I can have multiple IP addresses from my house. I can have from cable, separate IP, phone land line,multiple wireless companies, etc...
So, considering any one hand can be hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars, the cost of having multiple IP addresses would be a tiny fraction of what you could make colluding with yourself. I find it hard to imagine, that, since there are no law enforcement risks, there are not multiple people making a living colluding with themselves. If Poker stars found out, what are they to do, call the FBI? They could ban someone, of course, who would then just buy a new IP address and start over. I'm not saying it is easy or would last forever, but I can imagine you could make a LOT before you are discovered. I believe the guy who infiltrated one of the sites made $20,000,000 before he was found out, and he was blatant.

MathExtremist is right.

But I'd like to put it another way:

On the assumption they are cheating, for what purpose? To steal a few pennies? Look how much time and effort you've expended (not to mention the respondents here), trying to prove your paranoid theory. The cheaters have achieved their goal. Don't you feel better now?


News flash:

People will cheat at high stakes, medium stakes, low stakes, micro stakes, and even on FREE games. Learn to recognize it so you can alter your play accordingly.

If you have not been cheated at on-line poker, then you have not played on-line poker ! The higher the stakes, the more likely you have been cheated.

Quote: buzzpaff

If you have not been cheated at on-line poker, then you have not played on-line poker ! The higher the stakes, the more likely you have been cheated.

WORD

My 2c SB: There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to prevent a cell-phone camera and a directory of players in the phone-list from being busted for cheating. Now that works at 2c/4c and $100/200. And I'll add in that the cellphone is a prepay carded type on a cash payment basis. Go ahead... find'em. The best that can be done is to look for networks or circle of players at the same table at the same time. And that does not mean there is cheating... pot dumping yes, pot steering, yes. One has to find some cajones and reraise, knowing "the game is afoot". Once the network at the table loses a few reraises, they'll move to easier tables. Better yet, only play tournaments, and leave the cash-rings alone. You might find a $1 tournament lasts longer. /my 2c SB

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