Poker Tourney Director - Opinion poll - Part One

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Ok your running a poker game, texas hold em no limit tourney.

Three callers pre flop. Pot 1500

Flop comes down, AH KH 9H

Player 1 bets 750

Player 2 raises to 2200

Player 3 re-raises all-in 3500

Player 1 folds

Player 2 calls.

Both turn over Ace-Nine. Player 1 had folded a king.

The turn comes the case ace. making both players a full house.

The river is the nine of hearts. If you have been paying attention, thats the second nine of hearts on the board. The players call for a ruling.

How would you rule?

This actually happened at the Grosvenor in Brighton UK. I was player 1
Actual result to follow....

In the case of a dodgy deck, I would void the hand and return all monies to the player that put it in, then change the deck out pretty sharpish for a fresh deck which I would check. Twice.

Later I would kick the sh*t out of the dealer who was supposed to check the deck before play began.

The initial ruling was that 2 and 3 split the pot, but I pointed out that I would be down 1000. He said I would of lost anyway. Then changed his mind. Someone at the table said he wanted to start the tourney again, currently level 4 after 7 bustouts. It fell on deaf ears.

There is an assumption that the deck is correct until the second 9H comes out to prove otherwise.

You were already out of the hand at that point.

Had that card been anything else, players 2 & 3 would have split the pot, which is what was done, so I agree with the decision.

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I remember reading about a big tourney where, in the first hand, a player in middle position waited for it to be his turn to act, then called the TD over. He shows the TD his cards and was told to play out the hand. When it was over, he revealed a suited pair - Aces!

I have no idea how the hand played out or was settled, but the TD said that the absolutely correct / best thing for the player to do was exactly what he did: Wait for his turn, then show the TD.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

There is an assumption that the deck is correct until the second 9H comes out to prove otherwise.

I would say that once the second 9h appears the deck is proven to be bad, so whilst the deck cant be proven bad for the hands that happened before, this one could be looked at as the first where there is evidence, so thats why I call foul and reset the hand.

This is a dead hand. All bets returned and a new deck brought in. There are no losers or winners in this situation. The deck has been either deliberately or unintentionally tampered with and is no longer a regulation deck. You can't foretell the what if scenarios. They change the whole game. Upon the discovery of a bad deck, the hand is dead. Prior to the discovery, all other hands could stand depending on the ruling of a tourney director. I think it would be hard to reset from the beginning.

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This is a dead hand. All bets returned and a new deck brought in. There are no losers or winners in this situation. The deck has been either deliberately or unintentionally tampered with and is no longer a regulation deck. You can't foretell the what if scenarios. They change the whole game. Upon the discovery of a bad deck, the hand is dead. Prior to the discovery, all other hands could stand depending on the ruling of a tourney director. I think it would be hard to reset from the beginning.

I voted 3 only because option 2 does not state you will use a new deck. Option 2 could be misleading and imply you use the same faulty deck. Option 3 says you get a new deck.

all options involve a new deck, I thought that was obvious ;-)

EDIT if not pocket nines would be deadly

Dead hand, redo all bets returned.

I wonder two things:
1- Where did the second 9H come from? Fronts and backs of the entire deck are supposed to be checked before the first shuffle.

2 - Was it a 53rd card, or a replacement for .... ??

If this happened at the Horseshoe in the 50's, someone would be in line for a slap on the wrist... by a machete.

This one's not even close. The entire hand is void. All monies should be returned to the players, INCLUDING Player 1, and for that matter, any players that put up blinds or antes. The deal should be treated as if it never happened.

If any floorman makes a ruling that merely splits the pot between Players 2 and 3, he should be stripped naked, covered with honey, and buried neck-deep in an anthill.

Quote: Ayecarumba

I wonder two things:
1- Where did the second 9H come from? Fronts and backs of the entire deck are supposed to be checked before the first shuffle.

2 - Was it a 53rd card, or a replacement for .... ??

If this happened at the Horseshoe in the 50's, someone would be in line for a slap on the wrist... by a machete.

In this instance it was a 53rd card. The table next to us had 51 cards, but this wasn't discovered until the next break.