I need some real, serious advice.

First off, the chances of me winning anything are mostly none. Not that I am not manifesting here, but I have won a live poker tournament ticket to a 10K buyin. The GTD is 500k

I need any and all advice please.

What advice do you need? Is it transferable? If so your options are sell it or play it. If it's not transferable you just play it.

It seems like a fairly small field. 500k would be 50 entrants (maybe 55 since they take rake from the entry).

How did you win the ticket? Was it a satellite or something else (like a promotion)? If they are giving away entries through a non-poker promotion it should be an incredibly soft field. Do you play poker at all?

have to play no other option otherwise i wouldnt be here

went from 100 -> to 1000 -> to 10000 sattelite tourneys. i have been so close many times before. this time its a w

i play online mostly all the time

Odds are you are in the running to be in the top 10.

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First off, the chances of me winning anything are mostly none. Not that I am not manifesting here, but I have won a live poker tournament ticket to a 10K buyin. The GTD is 500k

I need any and all advice please.
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Congrats! About 25 years ago I won a $5k entry into a live tournament from playing online at a site called PartyPoker. At the time it was the first big online site. The tournament that I won entry to was held on a cruise ship and part of the prize was also airfare and the cruise tickets for two. This particular tournament had a first prize guarantee of $1 million for first, but the second through 30th were a little lower than they would be in a standard $5k tournament. I ended up in 14th place and won about $24k which wasn't reported to the IRS because we were in international waters.

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First off, the chances of me winning anything are mostly none. Not that I am not manifesting here, but I have won a live poker tournament ticket to a 10K buyin. The GTD is 500k

I need any and all advice please.
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Congrats! About 25 years ago I won a $5k entry into a live tournament from playing online at a site called PartyPoker. At the time it was the first big online site. The tournament that I won entry to was held on a cruise ship and part of the prize was also airfare and the cruise tickets for two. This particular tournament had a first prize guarantee of $1 million for first, but the second through 30th were a little lower than they would be in a standard $5k tournament. I ended up in 14th place and won about $24k which wasn't reported to the IRS because we were in international waters.
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i was all excited and told my wife and she was like you didnt win 10k you lost 3k in taxes and laughed. heh

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have to play no other option otherwise i wouldnt be here

went from 100 -> to 1000 -> to 10000 sattelite tourneys. i have been so close many times before. this time its a w

i play online mostly all the time
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Don't play scared or you will lose. In fact if others are playing scared you can do quite well by running the table over.

That's really the best advice I can give you. Assuming that you can hand read well, just open wide, give up when you hit resistance, and bluff like crazy against scared players with weak ranges.

What would happen if you folded every hand and waited for others to eliminate themselves? Do you start with enough blinds to make that possible? I'm not suggesting it as a strategy but am wondering what the result would be. You'd almost certainly outlast a bunch of players, and after folding dozens of hands in a row, you might get away with a big bluff when you finally play a hand

get the book Casino Tournament Strategy by Stanford Wong

Amazon has it

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It seems like a fairly small field. 500k would be 50 entrants (maybe 55 since they take rake from the entry).
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At 55 players, I would do SnG strategy.

Play only premium hands so you have a tight image.
When under 10bb, shove with any face card and suited connectors if you're 1st to act.
If 6bb or less, shove with any 2 if 1st to act

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What would happen if you folded every hand and waited for others to eliminate themselves? Do you start with enough blinds to make that possible? I'm not suggesting it as a strategy but am wondering what the result would be. You'd almost certainly outlast a bunch of players, and after folding dozens of hands in a row, you might get away with a big bluff when you finally play a hand
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You are taking the wrong approach to this. Scared money doesn't win.

Just play. There are usually a few players who play very scared in tourneys like this; they just get run over by the good players. It's usually the satellite qualifiers, because they are playing for stakes that they can't afford. This is why good players try to angle to get into a table with lots of satellite qualifiers (it's usually possible because seat assignments are usually done in order, rather than being random. When you buy in matters!) And then when they finally play a hand they complain that they lose even though they "got in it good". Understand that if you fold away half your stack and then "get it in good" you are just getting freerolled. If you win you are back where you started and if you lose you are out. Your goal is to continually chip up and build your stack. You do this by abusing players who fold too much.

If the tourney is too big for you then why did you play the satellite? There's no point trying to win an entry to a tournament if you aren't going to play the tournament well.

The OP is seeking advice for his tournament. I'm curious to know how many rounds a strict no-play method would last. I read that you would be eliminated late on the second day of the WSOP main event, but I'm not sure how that compares to a regular tournament.

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The OP is seeking advice for his tournament. I'm curious to know how many rounds a strict no-play method would last. I read that you would be eliminated late on the second day of the WSOP main event, but I'm not sure how that compares to a regular tournament.
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Every tournament is different as the blinds and antes go up at different rates from one tournament to the next. In general, lower buy-in tournaments they go up faster and you would lose quicker.

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The OP is seeking advice for his tournament. I'm curious to know how many rounds a strict no-play method would last. I read that you would be eliminated late on the second day of the WSOP main event, but I'm not sure how that compares to a regular tournament.
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I can't think of any tournament structure where this would get you in the money. You generally need to make it to the top 10%, which means that at the time that bubble bursts the average stack is 10x starting.

Not to mention that by aiming for a min-cash, you are throwing away tons of EV. Payouts are generally fairly top heavy, though of course this varies.

Starting stack sizes and speed of blind increases generally won't have a huge effect on how effective this strategy is. Let's assume a decent structure where you start with 50k chips and the blinds start at 100/100 with 100 BBA. The bubble is going to bust when the average stack size is 500k. I'd expect this to happen around a level like 5k/10k with a 10k BBA, or maybe 8k/15k with a 15k BBA. Obviously you can't survive to this level if you started with 50k and never played a hand.

You play a decent amount of poker if I remember correctly. heat. Just play the same game that won you the entry. Separate the fact that the stakes are higher than you are comfortable with. Just play the game that got you here.

Congrats on the ticket! Biggest tip: stay patient, stick to your strategy, and don’t let bigger stacks intimidate you. Play smart and enjoy the ride.

UPDATE:

HO LEE FUK

I cashed in 11th for 25k

eliminated daren elias twice.

chatted up with chance kornuth. almost eliminated him but he went runner runner on a jammed flush draw board against my 10s.

sat next to joe McKeehen and he gave me a walk.

this was amazing.

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UPDATE:

HO LEE FUK

I cashed in 11th for 25k

eliminated daren elias twice.

chatted up with chance kornuth. almost eliminated him but he went runner runner on a jammed flush draw board against my 10s.

sat next to joe McKeehen and he gave me a walk.

this was amazing.
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WoW! WOW< WOW< WOW! Darren Elias?????!!!!! Chance Kornuth! Joe McKeehen! Those are very talented poker players. Congrats and props to you!!!

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UPDATE:
HO LEE FUK
I cashed in 11th for 25k

eliminated daren elias twice.

chatted up with chance kornuth. almost eliminated him but he went runner runner on a jammed flush draw board against my 10s.

sat next to joe McKeehen and he gave me a walk.

this was amazing.
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Congrats!

You're a natural!
Time to Quit your day job and turn pro.
Or at least do more weekend tournys

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UPDATE:
HO LEE FUK
I cashed in 11th for 25k

eliminated daren elias twice.

chatted up with chance kornuth. almost eliminated him but he went runner runner on a jammed flush draw board against my 10s.

sat next to joe McKeehen and he gave me a walk.

this was amazing.
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Congrats!

You're a natural!
Time to Quit your day job and turn pro.
Or at least do more weekend tournys
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It was very much luck. Almost end of day one and I think I had about 25 blinds, although I didnt calculate it and it may have been more. Daren just busted. He rebought. He just sat to my right. UTG raises (with AK), Daren 3 bets (with AQ), I jam pocket 8s, UTG calls, Daren is not happy but my read is that hes trying to get chips from just busting and he has a good hand but not a pair. He asks for a count. He calls. I flop quad 8s. Both eliminated.

Next person to sit next to me is Chance. He is a very nice person. Although Im certain he was talking to me to get a baseline on my voice.

That helped me make it to day two. I think I went into day 2 with like 120k (which was average);

Day two arrives. Darren max late reg the next day. HAND NUMBER ONE. Im on the button, Darren is SB, it folds to me, I min raise (with AQ), he jams, I call, he has Jacks. I river an ace, hes gone again. It was somewhat of an embarrassing moment for me because one the turn, as the dealer was exposing the river, I said "you win" and then I saw the ace.

The entire table busted out laughing.

It was a meme for the rest of the day.

After that hand with darren i was at about 175k, and then chance sat down in his place.

then the runner runner two pair flush draw hand took place within a small period of time.

Anyways. After the hand with chance where he went runner runner i was down to about 100k and then i went into survival mode. About every 5 minutes a person was being eliminated.

I waited forever and then someone at the other table said we were good in the money. And i almost cried.

I immediately got AQ and had to jam my 50k starting stack at that point. Guy calls with TJ, flops a jack and here I am now.

Craziest thing Ive ever experienced.

I have played in some poker tournaments, free entry and due to my status usually jumped to a higher level.

I try never to do the rebuys or chip add ons. I did on one poker tournament, because I had just won a lot at the tables that day and had a chunk of the cash with me and was full of expansive, benevolent feelings, but all that got me is to the finals where I lost anyway, and that left a bad taste so I vowed never to repeat that sort of thing. I will try to win free, or not at all.

On a more recent poker tournament I simply refused as usual to put a dime into it, while every other person at each table as I played and moved up, did keep doing add ons, but I still almost got to the final table and this was notwithstanding that on the very first hand I lost half my chips (would have lost all, I am confident, if I had not folded), where I had an ace versus ace situation heads up and I had I am confident weaker kicker.

In that tournament where I had one of my legs chopped out in the first hand, I pretty much had only one big pot that I won, where my K J made a straight and eventually went all in, with three other players who called me all the way, the rest of the time I just kept waiting for the others to knock each other out. I was pretty sure I would not win, but I just wanted to get to the final table and I almost made it, just one shy of the money. The blinds just got so high that I was chip committed on a big blind hand, and finally had to go all in with an ace rag and got beat by a pair someone was holding.

So the concept of letting the others just knock each other out, especially while short stacked, is sound, with the goal simply to get to the money table.

i actually folded a pair of 9s after an UTG raise in that period of time. I was shortest at the table and had zero fold equity. Everyone was - somewhat rooting for me - but still testing me by always raising into me as they knew i was folding... and what I was going to do with such little chips with 9s would be a flip at best or close to one IMO.

and i kind of did what everyone in here told me to do i used a little bit of advice at various different stages and it really helped so thank you all

I have always wondered, what would happen if someone lost a Poker Tournament to someone who showed a fake ID? 🤔 Does the loser get to be reentered into the Poker Tournament? 🤔

Congrats! Nice run.

Outstanding!!!

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Odds are you are in the running to be in the top 10.
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how crazy is it that you were very close to predicting it by 1

I was ignoring this thread because, as much as I love and play poker, I'm nowhere's near the expert that should give any advice to these kinds of questions.

On the other hand, because of my knowledge of rules and procedures, a member sent me a PM with this quote, and a link to the post, asking for my opinion:

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I have always wondered, what would happen if someone lost a Poker Tournament to someone who showed a fake ID? 🤔 Does the loser get to be reentered into the Poker Tournament? 🤔
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I have not read any of the other responses, but here's my take:

On the scale of questionable things a player can do, a fake ID is rather low on the list. I assume that the game was played without any other issues. As such, the loser lost. End of that part of the story. Besides, there wasn't one loser. Every player that lost a hand to the guy with the fake ID was affected. And if you think about it, since that guy probably didn't win every hand he put chip in, then other players had chips they shouldn't have had, which makes thier decisions different in future hands.

Bottom line, it becomes a really messy situation where the only real option is, the winner rightfully won, but might not be entitled to his winnings.

I assume you're talking about an underage player. As such, he should not be entitled to the winnings, nor any refund of his buy-in. The winnings should be turned over to the state, or donated to a problem gaming organization or something similar. And maybe he should be turned over to the police for underage gambling / trespassing.

There probably will be some additional staff training on identifying fake ID. And perhaps gaming will issue a fine. But that's all I got.

There is presedence for procedure on how to hand things. A few years back, a player was caught introducing bogus chips into a tournament at Borgata. I don't remember the outcome, but once discovered, the game was halted, and it took a few months to figure out what to do about it. That's one example that comes to mind. There are plenty of others.

Just last week, on the Ante Up podcast, the "Call The Floor" segment had a question about a player that joined a tournament and sat in the wrong seat, which was discovered during his first hand. The Tournament Director was called. He rules that there was significant action, so the hand was allowed to play out, and the player moved after the hand. Add dealer training on handling the entry seating slips. He also suspected that had the player lost, the question would never have been submitted.

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I was ignoring this thread because, as much as I love and play poker, I'm nowhere's near the expert that should give any advice to these kinds of questions.

On the other hand, because of my knowledge of rules and procedures, a member sent me a PM with this quote, and a link to the post, asking for my opinion:

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I have always wondered, what would happen if someone lost a Poker Tournament to someone who showed a fake ID? 🤔 Does the loser get to be reentered into the Poker Tournament? 🤔
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I have not read any of the other responses, but here's my take:

On the scale of questionable things a player can do, a fake ID is rather low on the list. I assume that the game was played without any other issues. As such, the loser lost. End of that part of the story. Besides, there wasn't one loser. Every player that lost a hand to the guy with the fake ID was affected. And if you think about it, since that guy probably didn't win every hand he put chip in, then other players had chips they shouldn't have had, which makes thier decisions different in future hands.

Bottom line, it becomes a really messy situation where the only real option is, the winner rightfully won, but might not be entitled to his winnings.

I assume you're talking about an underage player. As such, he should not be entitled to the winnings, nor any refund of his buy-in. The winnings should be turned over to the state, or donated to a problem gaming organization or something similar. And maybe he should be turned over to the police for underage gambling / trespassing.

There probably will be some additional staff training on identifying fake ID. And perhaps gaming will issue a fine. But that's all I got.

There is presedence for procedure on how to hand things. A few years back, a player was caught introducing bogus chips into a tournament at Borgata. I don't remember the outcome, but once discovered, the game was halted, and it took a few months to figure out what to do about it. That's one example that comes to mind. There are plenty of others.

Just last week, on the Ante Up podcast, the "Call The Floor" segment had a question about a player that joined a tournament and sat in the wrong seat, which was discovered during his first hand. The Tournament Director was called. He rules that there was significant action, so the hand was allowed to play out, and the player moved after the hand. Add dealer training on handling the entry seating slips. He also suspected that had the player lost, the question would never have been submitted.
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I would think, the underage player gets disqualified and receives no winnings. Everyone else moves up one spot and cashes accordingly. There's really no other way to handle it.

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Just last week, on the Ante Up podcast, the "Call The Floor" segment had a question about a player that joined a tournament and sat in the wrong seat, which was discovered during his first hand. The Tournament Director was called. He rules that there was significant action, so the hand was allowed to play out, and the player moved after the hand. Add dealer training on handling the entry seating slips. He also suspected that had the player lost, the question would never have been submitted.
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i lost track of time and was talking to someone named Rampage poker before the tournament, pulled the random card for my seat, sat down, and realized i didnt even register. had to run to the registration desk and get my thing QUICKLY. first mistake i made and i wasnt even playing.

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Just last week, on the Ante Up podcast, the "Call The Floor" segment had a question about a player that joined a tournament and sat in the wrong seat, which was discovered during his first hand. The Tournament Director was called. He rules that there was significant action, so the hand was allowed to play out, and the player moved after the hand. Add dealer training on handling the entry seating slips. He also suspected that had the player lost, the question would never have been submitted.
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i lost track of time and was talking to someone named Rampage poker before the tournament.
pulled the random card for my seat, sat down, and realized i didnt even register. had to run to the registration desk and get my thing QUICKLY. first mistake i made and i wasnt even playing.
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Asian dude?
I like his playing style in cash. Haven't followed his tourny games.

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Just last week, on the Ante Up podcast, the "Call The Floor" segment had a question about a player that joined a tournament and sat in the wrong seat, which was discovered during his first hand. The Tournament Director was called. He rules that there was significant action, so the hand was allowed to play out, and the player moved after the hand. Add dealer training on handling the entry seating slips. He also suspected that had the player lost, the question would never have been submitted.
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i lost track of time and was talking to someone named Rampage poker before the tournament.
pulled the random card for my seat, sat down, and realized i didnt even register. had to run to the registration desk and get my thing QUICKLY. first mistake i made and i wasnt even playing.
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Asian dude?
I like his playing style in cash. Haven't followed his tourny games.
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He's a giant fish. Seems like a legitimately nice guy though, which is unfortunately somewhat rare in poker. I want to cheer for him but he is just so bad. I don't think he would be a winner in an average 2/5 game.

So don't copy his playing style 🤣

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Just last week, on the Ante Up podcast, the "Call The Floor" segment had a question about a player that joined a tournament and sat in the wrong seat, which was discovered during his first hand. The Tournament Director was called. He rules that there was significant action, so the hand was allowed to play out, and the player moved after the hand. Add dealer training on handling the entry seating slips. He also suspected that had the player lost, the question would never have been submitted.
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i lost track of time and was talking to someone named Rampage poker before the tournament.
pulled the random card for my seat, sat down, and realized i didnt even register. had to run to the registration desk and get my thing QUICKLY. first mistake i made and i wasnt even playing.
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Asian dude?
I like his playing style in cash. Haven't followed his tourny games.
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He's a giant fish. Seems like a legitimately nice guy though, which is unfortunately somewhat rare in poker. I want to cheer for him but he is just so bad. I don't think he would be a winner in an average 2/5 game.

So don't copy his playing style 🤣
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rampage was very very nice... most of the people there were very nice... there were a total of 77 entrants and i would say about 15 or so were reentrys... there was ONE GUY who made a pretty rude comment to the dealer and he wasnt even in the hand...

Yep, I was thinking of some 16 year old who looks around 27 using a fake ID to be able to play in the Poker Tournament. 🤔💡An Underaged Teenage Customer when I was 23 looked 27! He looked OLDER than me despite being YOUNGER than me! 😱😳

There was a 13 year old girl who looked 25 (Heavy makeup, trashy clothes, bunch of tattoos, and smoking)who ended up getting a 30 year old to get a jail record when he had sex with her and had no idea she was only 13 and only looked like a 25 year old Adult! 😱 One of my Customers looked about 56, turns out she's 46! 😱😳 There's a reason that multiple stores require EVERYBODY to be required, even if are 90! 😱😳

I realized based on this that I didn’t come in 11th I came in 10th. Chump was exactly correct

This popped up in my feed from 7 hours ago, but it's not the game you were in.
Only 64 players remain on Day 2 of the PGT Venetian Las Vegas Classic $3,300 No-Limit Hold'em Main Event, where the prize pool has reached $1,254,000 and surpassed the $1,000,000 guarantee. The remaining players are in the money and chasing the $250,000 first-place prize, and the Day 2 feature table will begin with Day 1A chip leader Jeremy Becker, Day 1B chip leader Sam Laskowitz, PokerGO commentator Jeff Platt, Kane Kalas, Dan Stavila, Francisco Lopez Romero, and Gregory Brown. Day 2 will play down to the final table of seven.


PGT Venetian Las Vegas Classic | Day 2 with Jeff Platt, Jeremy Becker & Kane Kalas - 7.5 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAkp6_uO-mM

Each player gets 6 time extension chips to make a decision. They are worth 20 seconds pre-flop and 30 seconds post-flop. The dealer has a countdown timer in front of them. When the playing field at this tourney gets narrowed to 21 players, each player gets an additional 6 time extension chips, and at the final table they get another 6 such chips. I don't know if the unused ones are taken away at those two new points or not.

Google AI wrote:
What 3K/$6K–$6K BB means
The notation "3K/$6K–$6K BB" is typically used to describe the blind structure for a multi-blind cash game, particularly in some high-stakes or specialty games.
This structure includes two sets of blinds, with the first being the standard small blind and big blind, and the second representing a "double big blind" or a "big blind with a straddle":
3K/$6K: This represents the conventional small blind ($3,000) and big blind ($6,000).
$6K BB: This second part of the notation can imply a couple of possibilities:
$6K Minimum Bet: It could mean the minimum opening bet is $6,000, which is the amount of the big blind.
Double Big Blind: It could indicate a "double big blind" or "big blind with straddle" structure. This means the third player to the left of the button, the "under the gun" player, posts an additional mandatory $6,000 blind.
The purpose of this unconventional blind structure is to encourage more action and increase the size of the pots, especially in games where the blinds might be smaller relative to the players' stacks.

It may be a double big blind. Didn't see this for over 2 hours and 10 minutes but the big blind player throws out two bets and one of them the dealer takes and puts in the pot. The two blind bets (small & big) are left in front of the players. The tourney TV screen called the 2nd BB bet an ante.

The guy on the right lost half a million of chips in 2 hands and he's out. This was just before he pushed all-in with a full house against another full house.


Yellow chips are $1K; Blue chips are $5K; Orange chips are $25K.

The total prize pool was $1,254,000 and there were 418 entries so that means to pay for that each entry was $3,000; but $300 was added on to run the tourney.
There's $16,720,000 in chips so that turns out to be a $40,000 starting stack per person.
Prizes are awarded to 30th place, high enough to get your entry fee back at over double.
356 contestants were eliminated on the first day, or 85% of them.

They ran down to the Final 21 at 4 hours in on Day 2. Maybe don't lose your last all-in hand just before the break.
Players getting eliminated making the absolute hastiest of exits, OMG!
One player was transferred out of the showcase room and eventually doubled up with a Royal Flush; but he lost the next hand and was eliminated..

What were these blinds?
$3K/$5K ($5K) = $13K
$3K/$6K ($6K) = $15K
$4K/$8K ($8K) = $20K
$5K/$10K ($10K) = $25K
First Break at 2:15
$6K/$12K ($12K) = $30K
$10K/$20K ($20K) = $50K
Hour 5 starts - Remove $1K chips
$15K/$30K ($30K) = $75K
$20K/$40K ($40K) = $100K
$25K/$50K ($50K) = $120K
9 Players left
Last card of the night:

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I realized based on this that I didn’t come in 11th I came in 10th. Chump was exactly correct
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If he bubbled how did he get $25k money?

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I would think, the underage player gets disqualified and receives no winnings. Everyone else moves up one spot and cashes accordingly. There's really no other way to handle it.
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In poker tournaments, after a player busts out they are sent to the cashier/payment window where they immediately receive their payout. So, if a tournament winner is disqualified it is impossible to change the payout of all the previous people (including the bubble person.)

If at any point in a poker tournament it is discovered that a player has used false entry documentation they are immediately disqualified and denied payment. However, it does not affect the payment of any other player. Alas! the tournament organization must bear the burden of keeping the forfeited payout of a disqualified player.

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I would think, the underage player gets disqualified and receives no winnings. Everyone else moves up one spot and cashes accordingly. There's really no other way to handle it.
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In poker tournaments, after a player busts out they are sent to the cashier/payment window where they immediately receive their payout. So, if a tournament winner is disqualified it is impossible to change the payout of all the previous people (including the bubble person.)

If at any point in a poker tournament it is discovered that a player has used false entry documentation they are immediately disqualified and denied payment. However, it does not affect the payment of any other player. Alas! the tournament organization must bear the burden of keeping the forfeited payout of a disqualified player.
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I find this hard to believe? You are saying if the day after the WSOP Main Event it is discovered that the winner used a cohort with binoculars who was feeding him the other players cards through a ‘hearing aid’ which was actually a radio transmitter, that the second place guy would not be given the 1st place bracelet AND the first place check?

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I realized based on this that I didn’t come in 11th I came in 10th. Chump was exactly correct
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If he bubbled how did he get $25k money?
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FINAL TABLE bubble... not money bubble

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I would think, the underage player gets disqualified and receives no winnings. Everyone else moves up one spot and cashes accordingly. There's really no other way to handle it.
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In poker tournaments, after a player busts out they are sent to the cashier/payment window where they immediately receive their payout. So, if a tournament winner is disqualified it is impossible to change the payout of all the previous people (including the bubble person.)

If at any point in a poker tournament it is discovered that a player has used false entry documentation they are immediately disqualified and denied payment. However, it does not affect the payment of any other player. Alas! the tournament organization must bear the burden of keeping the forfeited payout of a disqualified player.
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I find this hard to believe? You are saying if the day after the WSOP Main Event it is discovered that the winner used a cohort with binoculars who was feeding him the other players cards through a ‘hearing aid’ which was actually a radio transmitter, that the second place guy would not be given the 1st place bracelet AND the first place check?
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They might give the 2nd place finisher the first place money in this unusual situation you've contrived, but they would not elevate everyone one spot on the paytable and payout accordingly. For one thing: the name of the guy on the money bubble is not recorded, so they would not be able to give him a min payout. They also do not have contact info for the players who made the money. Some of the money winners may be foreign players on the way back to Europe, etc. In general the payouts would stand - that is the only rule that is straightforward for the tournament to implement. Anyone injured by that decision is free to sue the individual who cheated.

Also, the cheater would deny he had cheated and probably refuse to give up his first place payout. A lawsuit might ensue and it would take months or longer to resolve.

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I would think, the underage player gets disqualified and receives no winnings. Everyone else moves up one spot and cashes accordingly. There's really no other way to handle it.
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In poker tournaments, after a player busts out they are sent to the cashier/payment window where they immediately receive their payout. So, if a tournament winner is disqualified it is impossible to change the payout of all the previous people (including the bubble person.)

If at any point in a poker tournament it is discovered that a player has used false entry documentation they are immediately disqualified and denied payment. However, it does not affect the payment of any other player. Alas! the tournament organization must bear the burden of keeping the forfeited payout of a disqualified player.
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Where did you get this information from? It's certainly incorrect. Do you have an example of this happening, or a link to some rules that say this?

Here's a well-known example where someone was disqualified from an online WSOP event after cashing (in fact, after winning)

https://www.poker.org/latest-news/1.1m-wsop-bracelet-winner-dqd-brewer-and-big-name-stars-get-huge-pay-jump-aPtZP5z8YZgJ/

everyone moved up a spot and was paid accordingly. Note that this is WSOP, not some random online site making up their own rules.

I can't find an example in live play where a player was disqualified after the fact (as opposed to during the tournament). The closest was this year's millionaire maker, but in the end they paid the top two and withheld the bracelet, rather then disqualifying them (which was the correct decision IMO). However, had they been disqualified, the general consensus seems to be that the players below them would "move up" and collect extra winnings. The WSOP / Caesars could certainly not keep the money (it's not theirs to keep).

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… For one thing: the name of the guy on the money bubble is not recorded, so they would not be able to give him a min payout. They also do not have contact info for the players who made the money…
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The first statement is an assumption. Sometimes they make a big deal about the bubble, so they DO know. The second statement is just very likely wrong.

In every casino tourney I played in, you need to provide your player’s card and ID to register. No card? Go get one first. No ID? Sorry. Can’t play.

And in most cases, you also have to show both to collect winnings.

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… For one thing: the name of the guy on the money bubble is not recorded, so they would not be able to give him a min payout. They also do not have contact info for the players who made the money…
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The first statement is an assumption. Sometimes they make a big deal about the bubble, so they DO know. The second statement is just very likely wrong.

In every casino tourney I played in, you need to provide your player’s card and ID to register. No card? Go get one first. No ID? Sorry. Can’t play.

And in most cases, you also have to show both to collect winnings.
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NO ONE SHOULD EVER BE FORCED TO GET A PLAYERS CARD PERIOD. Having a player's card has nothing to do with the game of poker.

Show ID, pay your entry fee, and be done with it.

Any winnings collected should be private between the winners and the government.

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… For one thing: the name of the guy on the money bubble is not recorded, so they would not be able to give him a min payout. They also do not have contact info for the players who made the money…
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The first statement is an assumption. Sometimes they make a big deal about the bubble, so they DO know. The second statement is just very likely wrong.

In every casino tourney I played in, you need to provide your player’s card and ID to register. No card? Go get one first. No ID? Sorry. Can’t play.

And in most cases, you also have to show both to collect winnings.
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NO ONE SHOULD EVER BE FORCED TO GET A PLAYERS CARD PERIOD. Having a player's card has nothing to do with the game of poker.

Show ID, pay your entry fee, and be done with it.

Any winnings collected should be private between the winners and the government.
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I agree that's how it should be but just about every casino required a players card to play a tourney. And it's their right to require that.

The Player's card is where they collect your SS#. So your buy-in gets counted and your cash-out gets counted. What gets forwarded to the IRS, the circuit players can answer. But next year you can only deduct 90% of your losses.

To finish up..Day 3 Jeremy Ausmus & Lily Kiletto at PGT Venetian Las Vegas Classic FINAL TABLE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LkV9IewZZE

Black chips have entered the round at $100K a piece.

Gordon at the start of day two they handed out a sheet of paper with everyone’s name and chip count on it … now are those names taken off of a bag which could theoretically be a lie as a name yes but they also have the rewards id on that bag

And I think I saw someone say that in order to enter I needed my id and rewards id which was correct

Now could someone still be who they say they aren’t ya

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… For one thing: the name of the guy on the money bubble is not recorded, so they would not be able to give him a min payout. They also do not have contact info for the players who made the money…
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The first statement is an assumption. Sometimes they make a big deal about the bubble, so they DO know. The second statement is just very likely wrong.

In every casino tourney I played in, you need to provide your player’s card and ID to register. No card? Go get one first. No ID? Sorry. Can’t play.

And in most cases, you also have to show both to collect winnings.
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I have cashed in many WSOP Circuit tournaments -all of them with 600 -2800 entrants.
- I have shown a drivers license and player's card when I entered and when I collected winnings but a driver's license is not "contact info" nor is a casino's player's card. They are ID.
- and in the WSOP Circuit tournaments I have been in, they do NOT collect the name of the money bubble. I know a person who has been the money bubble and he simply stood up and walked away from the table.

Exactly, the DQ’d player forfeits their payout and everyone else’s cash stays the same—the house just keeps the disqualified prize money.

Right, that’s how I’ve seen it handled too—the forfeited prize just stays with the house and payouts to the rest don’t change.

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Right, that’s how I’ve seen it handled too—the forfeited prize just stays with the house and payouts to the rest don’t change.
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