Rabbit hunting
July 6th, 2020 at 5:41:44 PM
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Warning: noob questions ahead!
I was fascinated by what happened in this video starting at the 5:38 mark:
Is Phil Hellmuth allowed to rabbit hunt because he’s Phil Hellmuth, or does that rule vary by poker room? I’ve never seen rabbit hunting in a real card room! One website says dealers will allow it if they’re being treated well by players. It’s funny that he rabbit hunts — for the losing player!
Also, was folding aces the right decision? Help me with the math here.
I calculated a pot of $267 after Hellmuth’s raise of $130. (Does the rake factor into calculating pot odds?) So it’s call $130 for pot odds of $130/$397 =~33%
A poker calculator had the aces at 27% to win again Hellmuth’s two pairs (73%). So folding was the right decision if he knew Hellmuth had the goods. Right?
I was fascinated by what happened in this video starting at the 5:38 mark:
Is Phil Hellmuth allowed to rabbit hunt because he’s Phil Hellmuth, or does that rule vary by poker room? I’ve never seen rabbit hunting in a real card room! One website says dealers will allow it if they’re being treated well by players. It’s funny that he rabbit hunts — for the losing player!
Also, was folding aces the right decision? Help me with the math here.
I calculated a pot of $267 after Hellmuth’s raise of $130. (Does the rake factor into calculating pot odds?) So it’s call $130 for pot odds of $130/$397 =~33%
A poker calculator had the aces at 27% to win again Hellmuth’s two pairs (73%). So folding was the right decision if he knew Hellmuth had the goods. Right?
July 6th, 2020 at 7:14:09 PM
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Yeah, I think folding was the right decision. Sure, the aces would’ve won, but our hero would never feel good about his hand. I mean, if he put Phil on two pair, who’s to say that Phil’s second pair wasn’t fours? If so, it would’ve given Phil a boat. The only way he could’ve called is if he definitely put Phil on a flush draw.
I think the rabbit hunt had little to do with Phil being the one asking for it. I rarely play at stakes higher than 1/2, so I don’t really know. But I think it’s a rule at the 1/2 level simply to prevent players from constantly asking to see those cards. At higher levels, the players are disciplined enough to know that they really don’t want to see those cards, at least in most cases. So when Phil asked, it’s an easy thing for the dealer to agree to do. Particularly since our hero showed the aces when folding.
I think the rabbit hunt had little to do with Phil being the one asking for it. I rarely play at stakes higher than 1/2, so I don’t really know. But I think it’s a rule at the 1/2 level simply to prevent players from constantly asking to see those cards. At higher levels, the players are disciplined enough to know that they really don’t want to see those cards, at least in most cases. So when Phil asked, it’s an easy thing for the dealer to agree to do. Particularly since our hero showed the aces when folding.
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July 7th, 2020 at 2:15:18 AM
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I play higher stakes and I can safely say the rabbit hunt was because it was Helmuth. Some dealers here and there will give you a quick rabbit but it’s very rare from my experience as some places the dealer can get into trouble for doing it.
As far as the fold it’s fine, I might have peeled a street because he doesn’t have the ace of hearts which gives Phil the nut flush draw to be raising with. If you have aces with the ace of hearts it makes the fold much easier as it skews Phil towards value hands which are all ahead of AA.
Edit: peel a street means call the raise on the flop and then I would reassess on the turn.
As far as the fold it’s fine, I might have peeled a street because he doesn’t have the ace of hearts which gives Phil the nut flush draw to be raising with. If you have aces with the ace of hearts it makes the fold much easier as it skews Phil towards value hands which are all ahead of AA.
Edit: peel a street means call the raise on the flop and then I would reassess on the turn.
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