PA Online Poker now live!
Pokerstars is now live in PA for those of you in the Keystone State. Word I have had is it is about 1,000 players at any given time at the moment. PA is not joining with NJ until the Wire Act rulings and definitions come down. Good news there is PA is one of perhaps 10 states that have enough population to sustain online alone.
They have a bonus of $600 deposit match which is done thru a point system that I will not repeat here but they say it is about a 35% rake/vig rebate. It says you do not need to drop the whole $600 at once, a welcome change to most bonuses.
(NOTE TO MANAGEMENT: same deal as with the PA Sportsbetting thread, I am making no affiliate commission here, I am sharing a bonus with fellow citizens of PA and a few close enough to border jump.)
I plan to jump in tomorrow and see how it goes. Please add thoughts or other info on the PA Online scene in this thread.
Quote: AZDuffmanThey called it a soft launch, really soft as I did not hear a word about it.
Pokerstars is now live in PA for those of you in the Keystone State. Word I have had is it is about 1,000 players at any given time at the moment. PA is not joining with NJ until the Wire Act rulings and definitions come down. Good news there is PA is one of perhaps 10 states that have enough population to sustain online alone.
They have a bonus of $600 deposit match which is done thru a point system that I will not repeat here but they say it is about a 35% rake/vig rebate. It says you do not need to drop the whole $600 at once, a welcome change to most bonuses.
(NOTE TO MANAGEMENT: same deal as with the PA Sportsbetting thread, I am making no affiliate commission here, I am sharing a bonus with fellow citizens of PA and a few close enough to border jump.)
I plan to jump in tomorrow and see how it goes. Please add thoughts or other info on the PA Online scene in this thread.
I was playing poker at the Rivers last night and someone at the table mentioned it. I did not realize that it was an actual "legal" PA thing. I thought they were just allowing PA players. There are 2 other online casinos that are legal in other states and are allowing PA players but I do not believe they are techincally legal in PA. Off the top of my head I can not think of their names.
Quote: AZDuffmanThey called it a soft launch, really soft as I did not hear a word about it.
Pokerstars is now live in PA for those of you in the Keystone State. Word I have had is it is about 1,000 players at any given time at the moment. PA is not joining with NJ until the Wire Act rulings and definitions come down. Good news there is PA is one of perhaps 10 states that have enough population to sustain online alone.
They have a bonus of $600 deposit match which is done thru a point system that I will not repeat here but they say it is about a 35% rake/vig rebate. It says you do not need to drop the whole $600 at once, a welcome change to most bonuses.
(NOTE TO MANAGEMENT: same deal as with the PA Sportsbetting thread, I am making no affiliate commission here, I am sharing a bonus with fellow citizens of PA and a few close enough to border jump.)
I plan to jump in tomorrow and see how it goes. Please add thoughts or other info on the PA Online scene in this thread.
6 November 2019: Pennsylvania online poker arrives. http://bit.ly/2NmUPKu
PokerStars is officially up and running in Pennsylvania with the cooperation of the Mount Airy Casino Resort.
* The long wait and guessing game is over as Pennsylvania online poker is here. PokerStars is officially up and running with the cooperation of the Mount Airy Casino Resort. Plus, partypoker and 888 are not far behind. We also have a new gambling interview to share, plus news on Colorado sports betting. http://bit.ly/2NmUPKu
Quote: GWAEI was playing poker at the Rivers last night and someone at the table mentioned it. I did not realize that it was an actual "legal" PA thing. I thought they were just allowing PA players. There are 2 other online casinos that are legal in other states and are allowing PA players but I do not believe they are techincally legal in PA. Off the top of my head I can not think of their names.
I’d suggest tread with caution as what I heard the commonwealth does not recognize crossing state lines as legal. Probably little chance of getting in trouble but just pointing out.
Guy at the office looked in this morning only 5 tables going but still in soft launch and at that hour I reminded him normal people are at work. I’ll be signing on tomorrow and hoping I am eligible for bonus despite playing in the 2000s.
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You need to be 21 or over, and inside state lines to play online poker in Pennsylvania.
Note that there is no requirement to be a permanent resident of the Keystone State.
CAN I ACCESS THE GAMES FROM OUTSIDE OF PA?-
No, geolocation technology will only allow you to play if you are inside state lines. If there is any doubt, or location masking technology (for example a VPN) is detected, you will not be able to play. If caught, you stand the chance of having funds confiscated and your account banned.
Quote: ChumpChange
CAN I ACCESS THE GAMES FROM OUTSIDE OF PA?-
No, geolocation technology will only allow you to play if you are inside state lines. If there is any doubt, or location masking technology (for example a VPN) is detected, you will not be able to play. If caught, you stand the chance of having funds confiscated and your account banned.
WARNING--WARNING--WARNING
Their geolocation has plenty of bugs. I attempted to play, got charged for a tournament, then was booted. Refund request pending.
Support was ZERO help. They said to reboot after you install the software, after which the charge and boot happened. He said that they were working on it, it is intermitent, and to just try again later.
I suggest waiting a few days.
Quote: AZDuffmanWARNING--WARNING--WARNING
Their geolocation has plenty of bugs. I attempted to play, got charged for a tournament, then was booted. Refund request pending.
Support was ZERO help. They said to reboot after you install the software, after which the charge and boot happened. He said that they were working on it, it is intermitent, and to just try again later.
I suggest waiting a few days.
I had a very bad experience with PARX online. If you remember I had originally used a virtual machine. Which virtual machines are not illegal in themselves, but they were adement about claiming i was trying to use it to "spoof my location" and would not allow me to play once. I admitted to them i used a virtual machine and was up front as to why i was using it but they are so stupid that they allow the geolocation people to not allow you to play rather than them having the last word to let you play. The lady who i spoke with literally googled the definition of virtual machine and told me to "Buy a new computer" if i wanted to play and anyone who knows what a vritual machine is used for knows that a computer is not necessarily the dependent factor as to how you run a virtual machine and why you run one. They wouldnt have let me anyways because management was doubling down on being retarded. I was very very mad at someone telling me to "buy a new computer". STAY AWAY FROM PARX ANYTHING ONLINE IN PA.
Playing nl and o8. I have missed o8
Quote: GWAESo excited about pokerstars. Loaded up max bonus tonight and now grinding a bunch of tables.
Quote: GWAESo excited about pokerstars. Loaded up max bonus tonight and now grinding a bunch of tables.
Playing nl and o8. I have missed o8
my username is mistyped**** look out for me ;)
Quote: heatmapmy username is mistyped**** look out for me ;)
You will know me if you see me. Name is the correct wov spelling
Quote: GWAEJust had a zk moment. I have as. Make a decent sized bet. 1 caller. Flop is 999. We end up all in and he has A9. I yelled at the screen that It is rigged in memory of zk
keep playing you will continue to say that... i always say in the chat... initially good hands turn bad and initially bad hands turn good
Quote: heatmapkeep playing you will continue to say that... i always say in the chat... initially good hands turn bad and initially bad hands turn good
Just finished 4 hour session. Games were weak. Ended up $34 an hour playing micros even after 2 big loses.
Had the nasty hand mentioned above. I was playing 8 tables 6 NL and 2 o8. On the 6 nl tables I ran into quads 4 times and 2 of them were flopped.
You obviously missed this post. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/poker/33917-pa-online-poker-now-live/#post747019Quote: GWAE
If its not obvious. That's me at the top telling your future from playing poker online.
Quote: AxelWolfYou obviously missed this post. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/poker/33917-pa-online-poker-now-live/#post747019
If its not obvious. That's me at the top telling your future from playing poker online.
lol yes I saw it. How can I be broke? I can just put more money in.
exactly my point. 😄Quote: GWAEI can just put more money in.
Are you claiming at the PokerStars blackjack that's used in a regulated Casino here in the United States is rigged? If so, explain.Quote: heatmapI ask if anyone wants to "see" what me and ZK "see" in the blackjack tables at casinos in PA go ahead and play the online blackjack at the casino on pokerstars its atrocious
Would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is in an amount that would make it work someone's time and investment to track it?
Quote: AxelWolfAre you claiming at the PokerStars blackjack that's used in a regulated Casino here in the United States is rigged? If so, explain.
Would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is in an amount that would make it work someone's time and investment to track it?
I am putting the time in. I’m going to hit them from all angles. Brick and mortar and online. I have been planning this ever since I joined here. I have thought and will continue to think that in the state of Pennsylvania they have a very specific algorithm that was developed or is a common algorithm that can use predictions as part of the shuffle. My issue is that I’m doing this all myself because no one actually cares and the people who don’t gamble don’t have this issue because in Pennsylvania the money goes toward education and something’s that are productive.
My issue is that people have no issue saying that within random anything can happen and I feel as long as you can gaurentee that you can generate all possible outcomes I don’t think it matters how you generate the outcomes because you can control and make sure that you make it fair for everyone.
Quote: heatmapI am putting the time in. I’m going to hit them from all angles. Brick and mortar and online. I have been planning this ever since I joined here. I have thought and will continue to think that in the state of Pennsylvania they have a very specific algorithm that was developed or is a common algorithm that can use predictions as part of the shuffle. My issue is that I’m doing this all myself because no one actually cares and the people who don’t gamble don’t have this issue because in Pennsylvania the money goes toward education and something’s that are productive.
My issue is that people have no issue saying that within random anything can happen and I feel as long as you can gaurentee that you can generate all possible outcomes I don’t think it matters how you generate the outcomes because you can control and make sure that you make it fair for everyone.
You still haven’t answered my question, as to how the shufflers know when the relief dealer will burn a card. Or what if I just play the first hand of a shoe incorrectly? That would chance the entire shoe from that point on.
Quote: heatmapI am putting the time in. I’m going to hit them from all angles. Brick and mortar and online. I have been planning this ever since I joined here. I have thought and will continue to think that in the state of Pennsylvania they have a very specific algorithm that was developed or is a common algorithm that can use predictions as part of the shuffle. My issue is that I’m doing this all myself because no one actually cares and the people who don’t gamble don’t have this issue because in Pennsylvania the money goes toward education and something’s that are productive.
My issue is that people have no issue saying that within random anything can happen and I feel as long as you can gaurentee that you can generate all possible outcomes I don’t think it matters how you generate the outcomes because you can control and make sure that you make it fair for everyone.
Yeah, but the problem is sometimes you don't know whether it's time to order the chicken or the steak. Sometimes you can tell, but other times you have to sort of think it through before knowing what to decide, and even then it's possible that it's not the right time.
Quote: ChumpChangeYou've got to know what the shuffling machines consider a winning shoe. Deal blackjack to the dealer 5 times off the top of the shoe? Start there.
How does the shuffler know I won’t add an extra hand in after the first hand ?
Quote: michael99000You still haven’t answered my question, as to how the shufflers know when the relief dealer will burn a card. Or what if I just play the first hand of a shoe incorrectly? That would chance the entire shoe from that point on.
Im assuming you know what and how a database works so I am sure you will understand this.
Step 1: "Shuffle" or "Randomize" your cards
Step 2: Play through the entire shoe, as many times as needed, by doing every type of action, starting from any card. Computers dont get tired and will do everything you want them to do til the end. You are only limited by space, unless you have money which can buy space (hard drives, memory).
Step 3: Log the statistics into the database.
Step 4: Create a database with the desired shuffles that when combined give you a specific payout percentage over time.
Step 5: Sell those individual shuffles to the casinos.
Quote: ChumpChangeIt's a packed table. Nobody is leaving, nobody is entering mid-shoe. You want to split 10's at the top of every shoe to foil the stacked deck? With the dealer getting blackjack, you won't even get the chance.
How does the rigged shuffler know how many hands I’m going to play on the first hand of the shoe ?
On poker stars I have played 7 hours averaging 4 tables at a time so 28 hours on NL HE. I have had 2 quad hands both using 1 card in hand and have had 7 against me with 4 of them being flopped. So in 28 hours I have been involved in 9 hands with quads. Since I am multi tabling I have no idea how many have been on the table. Also in 28 hours I have had 3 strong flushes against me. 2 of them when I had nut flush.
I am not one to cry foul but these results seem odd. I am aware that online gets more hands per hour but these still seem odd.
Even with all those big hands against me I am still up 60bb per hour over 7 hours.
Quote: GWAEI I am still up 60bb per hour over 7 hours.
In that case, I'm convinced it's rigged.
Quote: GWAE
I am not one to cry foul
Apparently you are.
Quote: sabreApparently you are.
Nope, never said it was rigged. Just thought my results are quite a bit different than live results.
Quote: michael99000How does the shuffler know I won’t add an extra hand in after the first hand ?
Once again we’re talking about minimum and maximum results and those are easy to produce when you know physically how many hands a player can participate in and you can pre calculate what the player will do and can do. Once I get home I’ll copy and paste the exact description of the “bingo blackjack” class 2 patent descriptions and they describe exactly how the shuffles in pa happen even though I don’t believe the shufflers are putting these shuffles together. It’s literally word for word how I would have described the situations myself
That was a good one!!Quote: RigondeauxIn that case, I'm convinced it's rigged.
We have to keep the online and Live Casino discussion totally separate.Quote: heatmapI am putting the time in. I’m going to hit them from all angles. Brick and mortar and online. I have been planning this ever since I joined here. I have thought and will continue to think that in the state of Pennsylvania they have a very specific algorithm that was developed or is a common algorithm that can use predictions as part of the shuffle. My issue is that I’m doing this all myself because no one actually cares and the people who don’t gamble don’t have this issue because in Pennsylvania the money goes toward education and something’s that are productive.
My issue is that people have no issue saying that within random anything can happen and I feel as long as you can gaurentee that you can generate all possible outcomes I don’t think it matters how you generate the outcomes because you can control and make sure that you make it fair for everyone.
In my opinion it would be much easier to prove an online casino is rigged reverse is alive game in a casino. The the stats can't lie online. I think there's a greater chance are the RNG being rigged online and it would be easier for them to do that.
The question is... what kind of testing and how many hands would be needed to be confident it's rigged?
Quote: AxelWolfWe have to keep the online and Live Casino discussion totally separate.
In my opinion it would be much easier to prove an online casino is rigged reverse is alive game in a casino. The the stats can't lie online. I think there's a greater chance are the RNG being rigged online and it would be easier for them to do that.
The question is... what kind of testing and how many hands would be needed to be confident it's rigged?
as well as the fact that we are also talking about poker AND blackjack being rigged imo
Quote: AxelWolfWe have to keep the online and Live Casino discussion totally separate.
In my opinion it would be much easier to prove an online casino is rigged reverse is alive game in a casino. The the stats can't lie online. I think there's a greater chance are the RNG being rigged online and it would be easier for them to do that.
The question is... what kind of testing and how many hands would be needed to be confident it's rigged?
Isnt it possible that the rng just sucks in poker for some reason? I wouldn't really say rigged but maybe flawed.
I think it's more than just a slight possibility, however, if I had to make a bet I would say it meets reasonable standards that would even be approved by Nevada Gaming Control that people in the industry on both sides will you feel comfortable with. If there is a flaw they should be worried since someone will probably figure out a way to exploit it. Carson poker that won't really have an immediate effect on the casino but I can imagine there would be lawsuits and horrible publicity for them. Also, if everyone's getting crushed on the site they'll lose customers rapidly.Quote: GWAEIsnt it possible that the rng just sucks in poker for some reason? I wouldn't really say rigged but maybe flawed.
There's some really smart people who play poker in blackjack if there's something there I would hope it would have been chili come out.
I've said this before, the reason why I actually found The Wizard of Vegas/odds it was after a short session, on what I believe to be Casino Bar, I was thoroughly convinced it was rigged, so I started doing searches on the net and that's what led me to WOO. Sure enough, The Wizard had information that confirmed I was correct.
I went on about my business and didn't return until I found another gaff and started searching for information about this particular Casino(I was actually able to take advantage of the flaw in my favor). That brought me back to this site and I have been here every since.
P.S. I think a what brought you to The Wizard of Vegas thread would be interesting(perhaps, Nathan started one of those already?)
Quote: AxelWolf
P.S. I think a what brought you to The Wizard of Vegas thread would be interesting(perhaps, Nathan started one of those already?)
Yes I actually think that would be an interesting thread. I was brought here because my parents were giving me "large" amounts of free play and I was concerned that I would get in trouble or get them in trouble.
Did you see my stats of quads and str flushes that I posted? Doesn't that seem way out of the ordinary? I played for 2 hours this morning and had 3 more quads. I have now had more quads in 3 days of pokerstars than I have had in my life playing live poker. Also took a beating today. Had 2nd best hand nearly every big hand there was. Flopped nut flush to lose to FH on river 2 or 3 times. for a 2nd time in 2 days I had nut flush lose to flopped straight flush. Full houses losing to other full houses.
Pokerstars, if you are reading this, and I am thinking there is better than 50/50 you are. your support is AWFUL!
I cannot play because you cannot identify me in PA. All your "support" says to do is restart my computer. Like we would be told in 1996.
You ask if I am "on WiFi" as if being on an Ethernet will not also give me the same IP.
After asking for Level 2 or some other higher level support I again get "you need to restart your computer."
If you want to survive you had better do better than this.
Quote: RigondeauxIf big hands are more common, even if they are distributed evenly among players, there would be more rake.
That is a good point. It might just be my sample size but seen a lot of things.
Have been playing at .25/.50 tables and the main screen shows average pot size. They are showing at around $23 average pot size which is huge for those stakes. Can you imagine playing 1/2 with an average pot size of $100
Quote: GWAEAnd they betting into you. That's awesome
guy almost went all in he kept betting until the end so i made 20 bucks out of that hand, im assuming he had a set of something he was snap calling the entire time and raising so it was an exciting hand and he ended up folding so he could have been bluffing either way i won and he never saw my hand except i told him i had quads and he probably didnt believe me so if you are reading this dude heres your proof
Quote: heatmapguy almost went all in he kept betting until the end so i made 20 bucks out of that hand, im assuming he had a set of something he was snap calling the entire time and raising so it was an exciting hand and he ended up folding so he could have been bluffing either way i won and he never saw my hand except i told him i had quads and he probably didnt believe me so if you are reading this dude heres your proof
HAHA i just got my bankroll DECIMATED by quad 7s, i had a boat. i went all in they followed
WOW WOW WOW THE GUY JUST GOT HIT HIM SELF WITH SOMEONE WHO HAD QUAD 7s
Quote: heatmapHAHA i just got my bankroll DECIMATED by quad 7s, i had a boat. i went all in they followed
WOW WOW WOW THE GUY JUST GOT HIT HIM SELF WITH SOMEONE WHO HAD QUAD 7s
That sucks. I lost $12 today so I know how you feel.
