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May 29th, 2019 at 7:26:50 AM permalink
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Can we stop this before it gets out of hand?



Lol, sorry.

Johnny Chan.
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May 29th, 2019 at 7:46:06 AM permalink
One could only wonder what Stu Unger could have done if he didnít get so messed up on drugs during his prime years. And he had the leak of his sports gambling addiction. Still his 97 win showed he still had something left, even with the obvious mess he became.

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May 29th, 2019 at 7:55:36 AM permalink
I've had Nolan Dalla's book sitting on a shelf in my hallway, sitting there for years, I pass it every time I go through the hallway. I just can't bring myself to crack open that book. Just can't do it.
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May 29th, 2019 at 8:40:35 AM permalink
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Same list as.Gordon for.me.

Brunson
Hellmuth
Negreanu
Moneymaker

Voting as an outsider - I think the poker community would legitimately disagree with one or more of those.

My opinion could well be a product of widespread publicity more than true poker gods. They might well have good arguments for Amarillo Slim, Jackie Chan, Stu Unger, Antonio Esfandiari, Barry Greenwood, couple others that are huge cash game winners but not known for tournament bracelets.


Johnny Chan and Iím assuming you mean Barry Greenstein?
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May 29th, 2019 at 8:41:29 AM permalink
I honestly donít understand why people say Hellmuth. Lots of bracelets but what did he do to make poker what it is?
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May 29th, 2019 at 9:26:16 AM permalink
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I honestly donít understand why people say Hellmuth. Lots of bracelets but what did he do to make poker what it is?



He is the classic bad guy character. Makes a great story line with all of his success.
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May 29th, 2019 at 9:33:14 AM permalink
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I honestly donít understand why people say Hellmuth. Lots of bracelets but what did he do to make poker what it is?

He certainly made it interesting. let's not forget how young he was when he beat Jonny chan. And there is much more. I think he definitely helped make poker what it is today.

This is not a suggestion, however, I always liked watching Sammy Farha play.

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May 29th, 2019 at 1:05:05 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

One could only wonder what Stu Unger could have done if he didnít get so messed up on drugs during his prime years. And he had the leak of his sports gambling addiction. Still his 97 win showed he still had something left, even with the obvious mess he became.



One could argue that it was drugs that made and so good. Sometimes that extra adrenaline, or extra focus, or numb I don't care feeling can alter the way you play.. and many times work to your advantage. I wrote a piece here entiltle PEDS In Poker. It seems like everyone is on some med in the poker rooms. It gives them and added Edge mentally.. therefore I would consider that a performance-enhancing drug. I'm not discriminating against it. I'm just calling it like it is.

Getting back to influential players in poker. I first learned of the name Johnny Chan and poker from the movie Rounders. He became the icon of the poker world. Everyone knew his name. I met him several years later and did some work together. He is a great guy!
Following him, I would say Chris Moneymaker for the reasons everyone else mentioned.
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May 29th, 2019 at 1:46:55 PM permalink
Here is the link..

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28288-peds-in-poker/#post578071
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May 29th, 2019 at 2:21:20 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

Can we stop this before it gets out of hand?



Yep, sorry, Johnny Chan, d'oh. <headslap>

Chan is not a great communicator, which is why I wouldn't put him on my list of Top 4 influential poker players.

Someone else who has been influential has been Dan Harrington, who wrote a series of books on playing Texas Hold'em (after the Moneymaker win) that were superbly well-written and that almost everyone read. He helped to popularize and universalize some of the terms in Texas hold-em. He has finished as high as 2nd or 3rd, I think, in the main event but has never been famous as a player. But, come to think of it, he's a better player than Moneymaker.

Phil Ivey does have 10 WSOP bracelets, but he has spent the last 5 years or so playing high-stakes cash games in Asia (like Macau). He's too smart and too focused on making money to have been influential.

Someone who I predict will not be on the list: Norman Chad!
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