DJTeddyBear
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April 28th, 2017 at 8:39:29 PM permalink
I've dealt hands like that. Shit happens.




But the big question is this:
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FOR ALL OF YOU WHO EVER THOUGHT POKERSTARS WAS RIGGED, WATCH THIS LIVE HAND....

How does that hand prove or disprove anything about online poker?
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April 29th, 2017 at 1:11:39 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I've dealt hands like that. Shit happens.




But the big question is this:How does that hand prove or disprove anything about online poker?



I think he was just saying people think online is rigged because of weird stuff happening. A hand like this is equally as weird and wasn't online. When hands like this happen online people will run to 2+2 and post that it is rigged.
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April 29th, 2017 at 6:28:10 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I've dealt hands like that. Shit happens.




But the big question is this:How does that hand prove or disprove anything about online poker?


Apparently, you didn't get the joke...
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April 29th, 2017 at 6:31:15 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I think he was just saying people think online is rigged because of weird stuff happening. A hand like this is equally as weird and wasn't online. When hands like this happen online people will run to 2+2 and post that it is rigged.


This thread was supposed to be in jest. Ever watch these tables online and follow along with the chat? My initial post, in no way, am I suggesting that online poker is rigged or not. Just making fun of the continuous comments by the people in the chat boxes.

I'll say this, I'm highly skeptical of guys that claim they made millions starting with 1¢-2¢ and a single $20-$30 deposit.
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April 29th, 2017 at 9:57:00 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Stack sizes were pretty small, so shoving seems like a logical play. What kind of tournament was it? Or was it a cash game?

Would stronger pre-flop aggression from the AK have kept the QJ and QT from even seeing the flop?



It depends on how strong, though it would have been really tough to get out with Q-J with those stack sizes.

As far as hand range goes, I saw the question as to what the QJ would have his opponents on...that's a tough one! Do you figure that maybe the first player to lead out was trying to be cute? I guess you would doubt that with so many people still in the hand. But, with five to the flop, there's value in calling the pre-flop raise (pot odds) so any two will do.

Here's the thing for QJ: With so many people seeing the flop, maybe he put one of them on an inside middle pair (doesn't necessarily have to be Aces or Kings, just better than sixes) and figured maybe one of them has some kind of suited Queen that he maybe has out-kicked. He probably figures K-Q or A-Q (suited or not) would have tried to steal the pot preflop given the preflop action. At least would've tried to get a few players out preflop who already had money in.

Q-10 is probably hoping for the same thing that Q-J was, although 6-6 led, he called, someone else went all-in and that got followed with another all-in. I think that might get me to lay down Q-10, but I can't guarantee it. The thing about 6-6 is that 6-6 shoved when 6-6 could've just called the 13K bet from Q-J, and that's arguably what 6-6 should've done. 66 would've been waiting for a call from Q-10, or even better, for Q-10 to shove on his own. 6-6 Shouldn't be trying to go all-in and scare the final player to decide out of the hand, 6-6 should want that guy in the hand as long as 6-6 thinks neither player has wired QQ...which he clearly doesn't.

So, I might have gotten away from it as Q-10, but I probably wouldn't have. That's a really tough fold. I have to believe at least one of the other players has a Queen, though, and I'm probably outkicked. The second player also shoved rather than just calling the 13k, that draws a fold from me...maybe. If the second player had just called the first all-in, I'd have likely called the 13k bet with Q-10, but might have shoved anyway.

I don't see how QJ lays it down playing from that position. I don't see how QJ does anything but go all-in with that stack.
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April 29th, 2017 at 10:07:58 AM permalink
I remember it going 66 bet, QJ call, QT all in, 66 all in, QJ call.
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April 29th, 2017 at 12:20:13 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I remember it going 66 bet, QJ call, QT all in, 66 all in, QJ call.



I just watched it again, and believe you're mistaken. I have:

66-Bet
Q10-Call
QJ-All In
66-All In
Q10-All In (All In to Call)
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April 29th, 2017 at 12:52:50 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I just watched it again, and believe you're mistaken. I have:

66-Bet
Q10-Call
QJ-All In
66-All In
Q10-All In (All In to Call)


I haven't re-watched it, but if you're correct, I'm folding Q,10 at this point.

On a side note, when I won the bad beat jackpot some years ago playing $5-$10 limit, I had A,10 on an A64 flop. The flop just brought a bet and calls from me and another player. Turn was an A and that's where the other two started a raising war. I showed my neighbor my cards discreetly. When the river brought the last A, I put them both on 6,6 & 4,4 respectively so I figured I got lucky. Turns out I out flopped both as one had 8,8 and the other had J,J. Had this been no limit, I might've folded on the turn with all of the raising. They built me a nice pot plus 20% of the BBJ. :-D
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April 29th, 2017 at 1:44:23 PM permalink
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I haven't re-watched it, but if you're correct, I'm folding Q,10 at this point.



Yeah, with a little more time thinking about it, I definitely think I would have folded Q-10 because 6-6 shoved rather than just calling the 13k all-in from Q-J AND 6-6 has my stack covered. It might have even been an instant fold. You have to be playing one of the other players for the fourth Queen, so now you're just hoping your ten out-kicks them, or maybe hoping for a chop. Another six, running high cards. You have to believe one player or the other has 6-6 or the other queen. I wouldn't even be normally thinking about 6-6, but all-in, all-in, and I start thinking about everything that can beat me.

6-6 opened the action. Q-J basically has to go in after Q-10's call, it's either that or fold and I don't see how Q-J folds with Q-10 just calling. I guess you could call, but he's probably figuring inside pair for one player (or maybe just a six and a high card) and the other Queen for the opposite player and he's hoping he has the other Queen outkicked or maybe get a chop.

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On a side note, when I won the bad beat jackpot some years ago playing $5-$10 limit, I had A,10 on an A64 flop. The flop just brought a bet and calls from me and another player. Turn was an A and that's where the other two started a raising war. I showed my neighbor my cards discreetly. When the river brought the last A, I put them both on 6,6 & 4,4 respectively so I figured I got lucky. Turns out I out flopped both as one had 8,8 and the other had J,J. Had this been no limit, I might've folded on the turn with all of the raising. They built me a nice pot plus 20% of the BBJ. :-D



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May 9th, 2017 at 12:18:43 AM permalink
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https://youtu.be/UC1ji8gMJ6k


Blinds were 400/800. AK raised to 2000, 66 called from HJ, QTs called from button, QJs called 1600 from SB, A2 called 1200 from BB. Pot is 11,000 (must have been an ante.)

Flop is Q6Q. Checks around to 66 in HJ, bets 6,500. QT calls (pot is 24,000.) QJ goes all-in for 13,000. 66 shoves for 50,500 total. QT commits his remaining 27,300.



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And AK gets out of the way. Would've made Broadway.


If the action had not caused being all-in on the flop, it's a good thing he didn't stick around until the river and then throw his chips away when he made the straight.



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On a side note, when I won the bad beat jackpot some years ago...


Aces full of jacks beaten by quad aces with a ten. Nice! How much was the jackpot?

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