Poetic Justice and REALLY stupid 'strategy'

I was playing in a poker league last night.

We start with $15,000, and the blinds start at 100/200. These four hands are the 3rd thru 6th hands of the night.

The guy on my left is the owner of the venue, but can't play to save his life, and is the victim of poetic justice.

In the third hand, I fold, he shows me pocket fives on the button and limps. There's a five on the flop. Everyone checks, including him. Turn, again everyone checks. River, everyone checks to him and he finally makes a bet. Everyone folds. I ask him what he was waiting for. He says something stupid like waiting for someone else to hit something and bet. Whatever.

In the fourth hand, I have QcJh and raise it to $600. He and one other player call. The flop is AhQs6H. Checked to me, I bet $2,000, he calls. the other person folds. Turn is 3d. I bet $5,000. He makes it $10,000. If I call, I'll only have another $2,000 left. So while I'm thinking, he turns over 8h. As stupid as his strategy is, I can't believe he'd show that if his other card wasn't a heart. I realize his other card is most likely the Qh, so I'm ahead. I could lose with a heart or 8 on the river. So I ask the league rep if that's a dead hand. Nope, it's still live. I'm still thinking, and decide to turn over my Qc. After a moment, I go all in. He quickly calls, turns over the Qh as if he's triumphant. I turn over the Jh. The river is a blank. I win the hand, and he's down to $300 chips.

The Poetic Justice comes in the fifth hand. Pre-flop I fold, and he goes all in for $300. Two players call. The flop is Ad8c6c and he shows me 9c7c. He can win a measley $900 if he hits, and he's on an open ended straight flush draw. There's some light side-bet action. The turn is the 5c. He hit his straight flush. when the hand is over, we're all laughing and tell the other table. The Poetic Justice blow got softened when league rep comes over to see, and gives him and extra $5,000. He says that's a league thing: $5,000 for quads or SF, $10,000 for royal. I didn't know that rule. Whatever....

The sixth hand, I'm again not in it, and he again shows me his cards. I completely forget what the cards were, but he goes all in on the flop with a weak flush draw, hits his flush, but is beaten by a better flush. He's out, and now maybe we can all start playing POKER!

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I enjoy poker because it is one of the few occasions in life when the frequent condition of being surrounded by idiots is actually beneficial. However, taking money from said idiots is like clubbing a dodo bird over the head: not exactly challenging.

I did lose $650 to one such idiot a few months ago when he called my all-in bet: I had pocket queens, and he had Q2 offsuit. The turn and the river were both deuces :) He was very proud of himself.

"So I ask the league rep if that's a dead hand. Nope, it's still live."

"I'm still thinking, and decide to turn over my Qc. After a moment, I go all in. He quickly calls, turns over the Qh as if he's triumphant. I turn over the Jh. The river is a blank. I win the hand, and he's down to $300 chips."

dont do either of these things. poor etiquitte on your part. u shouldnt have to angleshoot your opponent by killing his hand to win. nor should u ever reveal cards from your hand. dont give away free information plus it slows the game down. i know youre revealing your hand to try to get a reaction from him but if you decided to fold, you dont want to show other players what youre willing to fold in this spot or they might take shots at you later. i know youre just gonna say its just a league tourney so it doesnt matter but its a bad habit to get into.

I know it's bad ettiquite on my part. I REALLY think that in a casino tourney, exposed cards are dead. Plus, this guy is a rules abuser and arguer. That's why I asked for a ruling.

I would never expose my card, even in a cash game where it's allowed. Except he exposed his card first. I know I didn't write it that way, but I decided to go all in before I exposed my card. I really WASN'T trying to get a read. I was trying to rub it in, and to even let him off the hook by showing him he was beat, so he can fold.

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Quote: rudeboyoi

u shouldnt have to angleshoot your opponent by killing his hand to win.

I will only agree with this insofar as you know that your opponent wouldn't do the same thing to you. In other words, if you have seen the opponent do it, or you have reason to believe, that in a similar circumstance, the opponent would call over the director and have your hand nullified, then you very well should do the same thing to him first.

However, in other circumstances, I do think it's not very gracious to try to have someone's hand killed just because they showed it, even if that is the rule. In my experience, I enjoyed when people showed their hand. It's a weakness I learned to exploit.