terapined
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June 10th, 2015 at 4:42:43 AM permalink
Interesting article I came across this morning

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2015/06/alleged-10k-heads-up-championship-cheater-denies-all-21773.htm
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GWAE
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June 10th, 2015 at 4:56:02 AM permalink
Lol at being banned from roulette for being an AP. EB is that you?
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DRich
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June 10th, 2015 at 8:57:36 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Lol at being banned from roulette for being an AP. EB is that you?



There have definitely been AP roulette players in the past. Some probably still exist today.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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June 10th, 2015 at 8:59:00 AM permalink
It wouldn't surprise me if an out-of-the-way casino somewhere in Europe was using less-than-balanced wheels. AP is easy if the game isn't fair to begin with.
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andysif
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June 10th, 2015 at 6:36:13 PM permalink
Its pretty hard to cheat when your hole cards are exposed to the viewers. Any funny moves are caught instantly.

And its even harder to mark cards, when there are about 2 or 3 TV camcorders pointing at you.

If anyone is indeed cheating, I would say the dealer is the most likely.
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June 11th, 2015 at 5:39:11 AM permalink
Is this event televised? I'd guess that it's recorded but I'm not sure.
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June 11th, 2015 at 5:44:43 AM permalink
If this game was for only $10,000 it probably was not televised. There are a whole slew of minor games in additional to the famous one. You'll recall the WSOP game where a player folded a four of a kind was not televised either so we'll never know if his opponent had the straight flush.
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June 11th, 2015 at 5:51:24 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

There have definitely been AP roulette players in the past. Some probably still exist today.



Our Sally is an AP roulette player!
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June 11th, 2015 at 6:05:30 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Our Sally is an AP roulette player!


Imagine that!
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June 11th, 2015 at 6:27:35 AM permalink
Cheaters never win

Or cheaters never quit.... I cant remember how the saying goes
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June 11th, 2015 at 6:46:49 AM permalink
Quote: Boney526

Is this event televised? I'd guess that it's recorded but I'm not sure.


WSOP.com live streams most of the final tables. But this incident supposedly happened before hand.

On a similar note, many players are complaining about the card manufacturer and how easily the cards are marked. You can Google it for various articles.
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June 11th, 2015 at 7:09:10 AM permalink
Good poker room managers let the dealers vote on card manufacturers and don't try to trim pennies from such critical areas.
Ibeatyouraces
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June 11th, 2015 at 7:27:52 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Good poker room managers let the dealers vote on card manufacturers and don't try to trim pennies from such critical areas.


You forgot. This is Caesar's we're talking about.
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terapined
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June 11th, 2015 at 7:36:32 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

Cheaters never win

Or cheaters never quit.... I cant remember how the saying goes



Better quote from baseball,
If you aint cheating, you aint trying.
When somebody doesn't believe me, I could care less. Some get totally bent out of shape when not believed. Weird. I believe very little on all forums
Ibeatyouraces
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June 11th, 2015 at 7:55:34 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Better quote from baseball,
If you aint cheating, you aint trying.


I still prefer this one from Jesse "The Body" Ventura:

"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."
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TwoFeathersATL
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June 11th, 2015 at 8:09:30 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I still prefer this one from Jesse "The Body" Ventura:

"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."



I'm assuming there's no place for another 'Karma' discussion here, tee hee.. I didn't know (I swear) that the Monkey was into 'Karma'
Sometimes I tickle myself.... silly Feathers.
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TwoFeathersATL
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June 11th, 2015 at 8:13:26 AM permalink
Damn! I never get it right when I'm in a rush.
Don't think it's possible to tickle oneself.
But you can make yourself laugh out loud.
Careful where you do it though, people are looking at me now....
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June 11th, 2015 at 9:04:46 AM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Don't think it's possible to tickle oneself.



It's possible.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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June 11th, 2015 at 9:54:44 AM permalink
check out the televised poker game on youtube where the players signal what they got. dude kept touchin his head with both hands to make sure the guy saw he had aces
TwoFeathersATL
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June 11th, 2015 at 10:33:02 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

It's possible.


I'm scared to ask for details, so I will not.
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June 11th, 2015 at 12:33:58 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

If this game was for only $10,000 it probably was not televised. There are a whole slew of minor games in additional to the famous one. You'll recall the WSOP game where a player folded a four of a kind was not televised either so we'll never know if his opponent had the straight flush.



This was one of championship events and was a $10,000 buy-in. That is top buy-in including the main event except for a few specialty events. According to the article the cards were checked after the complaint and no marks were found. If that is true it should be the end of it. Probably just some of the new young guns that can't believe they can be beat.
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June 11th, 2015 at 12:39:10 PM permalink
I'm sure he was banned at roulette for
using visual ballistics. They're real
sensitive in EU to people staring at
the wheel for a long time and then
making winning bets.
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