Marking cards in poker room
Saw this story online, quick synopsis. This guy was a known card marker with multiple convictions, went to Mohegan Sun and was playing there. He only got caught because someone upstairs recognized him and they reviewed the tape and he was playing erratically.
So my point isnt at all that I would ever try this, but are there not more strict standards in place to prevent it? I would think that the casinos would have inferred cameras or some other protection against such things. I really don't want to be wondering every time someone makes a miraculous call against me whether or not they had some extra info. Are there people in poker rooms doing this and being content making a small enough amount of money as not to raise suspicion?
Quote: jwptceoI really don't want to be wondering every time someone makes a miraculous call against me whether or not they had some extra info.
If he is good, he would not use that info for a call against you (which might result in a showdown of his weak hand), but for a fold of his otherwise strong hands. Nice and clean, leaves no trace, and is still worth a lot of money.
Quote: MangoJIf he is good, he would not use that info for a call against you (which might result in a showdown of his weak hand), but for a fold of his otherwise strong hands. Nice and clean, leaves no trace, and is still worth a lot of money.
Pretty much.
The smartest cheats are the ones who don't get caught. Lucikily I doubt this form of cheating is rampant, and to be honest, you don't see as many poker players in sunglasses as popular image tries to convey. In all of my live sessions, I've seen sunglasses like once or twice. One of times was done as a sarcastic joke, though.
I'd be far more worried about collusion, because it just seems to be far more likely. That and people shooting angles and stuff.
Quote: jwptceoI would think that the casinos would have inferred cameras or some other protection against such things.
You can't see infrared. Period. You can use a heat-sensitive camera to measure it, and render it in visible colors (either in B&W as in night-vision goggles, or in shades of color varying according to temperature). I'm guessing rather he was using some kind of polarized filter in hsi contacts, which allowed him to make out his invisible ink. But it wasn't infrared. He may call it that, but it's as accurate as saying you can see ultraviolet when using dyes which fluorsece under ultraviolet light.
IN other words, either night vision equiipment or a heat-sensitive camera wouldn't do the casinos much good. What they can do is find out exactly what the cheat was doing, not what he said he did, and replicate that either in filters on top of camera lenses, or electronically replicate the filter on video.
BTW, as far as I know no animals see infrared, either. Snakes can sense it as heat, but then so can we. Some animals, mostly insects, can see ultraviolet.
Polarized ink seems indeed do the trick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyIj8e6oojw . Must be a circular polarization, otherwise an ink would be difficult to apply.
A polarization filter (simple photographic equipment) would help for the cameras.
Quote: MangoJIf he is good, he would not use that info for a call against you (which might result in a showdown of his weak hand), but for a fold of his otherwise strong hands. Nice and clean, leaves no trace, and is still worth a lot of money.
LOL. That explains "This guy was a known card marker with multiple convictions".
Seems he didn't learn from his mistakes.
Quote: MangoJIf he is good, he would not use that info for a call against you (which might result in a showdown of his weak hand), but for a fold of his otherwise strong hands. Nice and clean, leaves no trace, and is still worth a lot of money.
This is how the AP/UB scandal got caught. they got way too greedy.
Quote: jwptceoAre there people in poker rooms doing this and being content making a small enough amount of money as not to raise suspicion?
Several years back, I heard about a guy doing this (or something similar) in the 5/10 NL at the Wynn. I played in the game occasionally, but maybe not during the cheating stretch. I think one of the locals said that they think he took 400k out of the game, over a series of months. Seems like he would've moved on before then, but I guess it's really easy to get too comfortable. Beyond the lay, there was at least one player in that game (and maybe more) I would've been physically afraid of.
