andysif
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May 27th, 2014 at 6:46:47 PM permalink
so i can rest in peace .....

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PokerStars Hand #116737894598: Courchevel Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2014/05/27 18:07:43 CCT [2014/05/27 6:07:43 ET]
Table 'Budovicium III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: AAth3nuts ($21.49 in chips)
Seat 3: andysif ($10.02 in chips)
Seat 4: hansfux ($32.25 in chips)
Seat 6: MAGicheskiy ($9.86 in chips)
AAth3nuts: posts small blind $0.10
andysif: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andysif [4c 2s Ks 7c 2h]
*** PRE-FLOP *** [2d]
hansfux: folds
MAGicheskiy: raises $0.55 to $0.80
AAth3nuts: folds
andysif: raises $1.70 to $2.50
MAGicheskiy: calls $1.70
*** FLOP *** [2d Tc Kh]
andysif: bets $4.88
MAGicheskiy: raises $2.48 to $7.36 and is all-in
andysif: calls $2.48
*** TURN *** [2d Tc Kh] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [2d Tc Kh 3d] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
andysif: shows [4c 2s Ks 7c 2h] (a full house, Kings full of Deuces)
MAGicheskiy: shows [Kc 5c Td 8d 6c] (a full house, Kings full of Tens)
MAGicheskiy collected $18.98 from pot

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PokerStars Hand #116737879505: 5 Card Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2014/05/27 18:07:04 CCT [2014/05/27 6:07:04 ET]
Table 'Echepolos III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: andysif ($20.89 in chips)
Seat 2: jackieleemac ($24.96 in chips)
Seat 3: VOULGARIDIS ($21.33 in chips)
Seat 4: TheONEver ($13.12 in chips)
Seat 5: SydRock83 ($16.12 in chips)
Seat 6: ArmArm666 ($16.29 in chips)
TheONEver: posts small blind $0.10
SydRock83: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andysif [6c 6h As 3d Ad]
ArmArm666: folds
andysif: raises $0.50 to $0.75
jackieleemac: calls $0.75
VOULGARIDIS: raises $0.50 to $1.25
TheONEver: calls $1.15
SydRock83: folds
andysif: raises $4.75 to $6
jackieleemac: folds
VOULGARIDIS: calls $4.75
TheONEver: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c 6d 9d]
andysif: bets $13.64
VOULGARIDIS: calls $13.64
*** TURN *** [7c 6d 9d] [8s]
andysif: bets $1.25 and is all-in
VOULGARIDIS: calls $1.25
*** RIVER *** [7c 6d 9d 8s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
andysif: shows [6c 6h As 3d Ad] (three of a kind, Sixes)
VOULGARIDIS: shows [Kh 6s 9h 2d Kc] (a straight, Five to Nine)
VOULGARIDIS collected $42.16 from pot

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Neutrino
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May 27th, 2014 at 7:27:51 PM permalink
pokerstars is rigged. look it up on youtube you'll find more information on it

play at bovada instead
DJTeddyBear
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May 27th, 2014 at 7:57:58 PM permalink
I don't think the two guys were idiots. Nor were they overly lucky. Sure, they sucked out on the river, but that happens.

The fact that you were ahead both times is irrelevant. Trips / sets rarely hold up in Omaha. And it was big O at that! You had low trips / sets. They were very vulnerable. And got beat.

Of course this doesn't mean there wasn't something fishy going on. I just don't see it. And 2 hands is hardly a good sample.
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andysif
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May 27th, 2014 at 8:33:08 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I don't think the two guys were idiots. Nor were they overly lucky. Sure, they sucked out on the river, but that happens.

The fact that you were ahead both times is irrelevant. Trips / sets rarely hold up in Omaha. And it was big O at that! You had low trips / sets. They were very vulnerable. And got beat.

Of course this doesn't mean there wasn't something fishy going on. I just don't see it. And 2 hands is hardly a good sample.


The "unlucky" part may be about getting beaten on the river, but the "idiot" part is about calling the raise preflop. These guys wasn't even supposed to see the flop.
AxelWolf
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May 28th, 2014 at 7:07:23 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

pokerstars is rigged. look it up on youtube you'll find more information on it

play at bovada instead

There are videos on just about every online poker room being rigged.What evidenced indicates PS is over the others? I would think PS would be less likely my guess would lean more towards players having more hacks then we realize.
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vonnegut
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May 28th, 2014 at 4:34:28 PM permalink
Well... in the first hand, at least, your villain was ahead of you preflop. So... not exactly an idiot to call there, right? And then he hits top two pair.

Fact is, there just aren't a lot of pre-flop huge favorites in PLO. Sure, these are both bad beats... but they aren't THAT bad. And why would you think Pokerstars would cheat a low-limit PLO game and risk the Billion-dollar empire they've setup? There is certainly cheating happening at Pokerstars and every other online poker site, but it's collusion, not internal. I'd suggest that neither of these hands are suspicious at all.

Stop being paranoid, imo.
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AxelWolf
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May 28th, 2014 at 4:50:09 PM permalink
Quote: vonnegut

And why would you think Pokerstars would cheat a low-limit PLO game and risk the Billion-dollar empire they've setup? .

Horrible reasoning. It sounds logical but we are dealing with a few key Factors. Human nature: Greed for money. The company as a whole would not want to plan a cheating situation. Individuals would. We are talking hundreds of millions by gaffing the games. People kill for much less. If they think they can get away with it, they will try.
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andysif
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May 28th, 2014 at 6:39:36 PM permalink
Quote: vonnegut

Well... in the first hand, at least, your villain was ahead of you preflop. So... not exactly an idiot to call there, right? And then he hits top two pair.

Fact is, there just aren't a lot of pre-flop huge favorites in PLO. Sure, these are both bad beats... but they aren't THAT bad. And why would you think Pokerstars would cheat a low-limit PLO game and risk the Billion-dollar empire they've setup? There is certainly cheating happening at Pokerstars and every other online poker site, but it's collusion, not internal. I'd suggest that neither of these hands are suspicious at all.

Stop being paranoid, imo.


First, I want to clarify that I didn't claim it's rigged. (that's from another member). I just think they are idiots who got lucky.

And secondly, the first game is not exactly "plain" omaha. It's called Courchevel and there is a little difference: the first card of the flop, ie {2d} is shown before the (remaining) flop when your hand is dealt. So with that {2d} showing, his [Kc 5c Td 8d 6c] had nothing except a remote second tier flush draw. Calling my re-raise with this is totally out of context.
andysif
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May 28th, 2014 at 6:48:34 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I don't think the two guys were idiots. Nor were they overly lucky. Sure, they sucked out on the river, but that happens.

The fact that you were ahead both times is irrelevant. Trips / sets rarely hold up in Omaha. And it was big O at that! You had low trips / sets. They were very vulnerable. And got beat.

Of course this doesn't mean there wasn't something fishy going on. I just don't see it. And 2 hands is hardly a good sample.


Yes, I totally agree, even Trips / sets are not that strong in Omaha. But then it just show they are idiots going all-in with only 2 pairs.
vonnegut
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May 29th, 2014 at 1:22:57 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Horrible reasoning. It sounds logical but we are dealing with a few key Factors. Human nature: Greed for money. The company as a whole would not want to plan a cheating situation. Individuals would. We are talking hundreds of millions by gaffing the games. People kill for much less. If they think they can get away with it, they will try.



I thought we were talking about a microstakes Five-card PLO game. But I guess people do kill for less than $10...
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