Would this "move" work?

I've been thinking about a move based on the theory on a very famous tell "If someone asks 'how much?' and then raise they have a good hand"

I've been mostly making neat bets before. So, what if from now on I just make extremely messy bets, with different color chips mixed in. My goal is to force the opponent to ask "how much" if he decides to not fold.

In theory, because I'm forcing him to ask "how much", if he raises he has a good hand. Therefore, if I make messy bets with mixed colors I'm guaranteed not to be bluffed. Being completely protected against bluffs is a huge advantage.

This sounds like extremely +EV if it works. The theory doesn't seem to have any holes in it logically, if the theory is wrong then the premise "how much + raise = good hand" is wrong.

You guys think this move is practical?

Logically it blows because you're forcing them to ask you "how much?" making them saying so worthless. Time to go back to robot school neutrino.

haha robot school, i do have faith one day they can whoop us in poker as they do in chess

Quote: Neutrino

I've been thinking about a move based on the theory on a very famous tell "If someone asks 'how much?' and then raise they have a good hand"

I've been mostly making neat bets before. So, what if from now on I just make extremely messy bets, with different color chips mixed in. My goal is to force the opponent to ask "how much" if he decides to not fold.

In theory, because I'm forcing him to ask "how much", if he raises he has a good hand. Therefore, if I make messy bets with mixed colors I'm guaranteed not to be bluffed. Being completely protected against bluffs is a huge advantage.

This sounds like extremely +EV if it works. The theory doesn't seem to have any holes in it logically, if the theory is wrong then the premise "how much + raise = good hand" is wrong.

You guys think this move is practical?

Wat

Quote: sodawater

Wat

right on time!

When I ook at how much chips an opponent has, its usually to plan out if I can bluff on a later street, given our stack sizes.

Basically, I'm either setting it up so it'll go all in if I have a value hand, or I'm setting up bet sizes so that when I put you all in, you'll have a price you can fold for.

Quote: Neutrino

I've been thinking about a move based on the theory on a very famous tell "If someone asks 'how much?' and then raise they have a good hand"

I've been mostly making neat bets before. So, what if from now on I just make extremely messy bets, with different color chips mixed in. My goal is to force the opponent to ask "how much" if he decides to not fold.

In theory, because I'm forcing him to ask "how much", if he raises he has a good hand. Therefore, if I make messy bets with mixed colors I'm guaranteed not to be bluffed. Being completely protected against bluffs is a huge advantage.

This sounds like extremely +EV if it works. The theory doesn't seem to have any holes in it logically, if the theory is wrong then the premise "how much + raise = good hand" is wrong.

You guys think this move is practical?

disregard

Quote: Neutrino

In theory, because I'm forcing him to ask "how much", if he raises he has a good hand. Therefore, if I make messy bets with mixed colors I'm guaranteed not to be bluffed.

Yeah, as your opponent will hesitate to bluff because he cannot read your bet amount ? What will he do instead ? He will just ask.
You should rethink your reasoning.

Quote: Neutrino

I've been thinking about a move based on the theory on a very famous tell "If someone asks 'how much?' and then raise they have a good hand"

I've been mostly making neat bets before. So, what if from now on I just make extremely messy bets, with different color chips mixed in. My goal is to force the opponent to ask "how much" if he decides to not fold.

In theory, because I'm forcing him to ask "how much", if he raises he has a good hand. Therefore, if I make messy bets with mixed colors I'm guaranteed not to be bluffed. Being completely protected against bluffs is a huge advantage.

This sounds like extremely +EV if it works. The theory doesn't seem to have any holes in it logically, if the theory is wrong then the premise "how much + raise = good hand" is wrong.

You guys think this move is practical?

You have to think of why the guy is asking how much usually he knows about how much. He is just asking to give himself time to think how much he can extract from you or whatever he may be thinking, its a confident how much, and you can usually see them perk up and sit up, their voice will even change. If he is legitimately asking how much, its because he really has no clue how much and this will not be a tell just because he raises.

Quote: Neutrino

logically

No

What fantasy poker room do you play in ? The first time you push that barber pole bet in without announcing the amount, the dealer will correct you. The second time somebody like me will make a comment about your heritage. Discretely of course, like saying my ankle still hurts from where you mother ran out from under the porch and bit me.

Quote: Buzzard

What fantasy poker room do you play in ? The first time you push that barber pole bet in without announcing the amount, the dealer will correct you. The second time somebody like me will make a comment about your heritage. Discretely of course, like saying my ankle still hurts from where you mother ran out from under the porch and bit me.

lol. Reminds me of the times my ex would rant about hiding from her uncle under the porch as a child...she would cry, I would laugh.

Quote: Buzzard

What fantasy poker room do you play in ? The first time you push that barber pole bet in without announcing the amount, the dealer will correct you. The second time somebody like me will make a comment about your heritage. Discretely of course, like saying my ankle still hurts from where you mother ran out from under the porch and bit me.

The dealer here does not seem to care

also nice very subtle SOAB reference loool!

You're going to start getting the floor's attention for this in time. "How much" means how much behind - if you don't announce the amount of your raise, in most rooms, the dealer will count. If your dealer's not counting, you've got a lousy dealer. (Incidentally, you talk like you get the same dealer for long stretches - isn't there a rotation?)

Quote: Neutrino

I've been thinking about a move based on the theory on a very famous tell "If someone asks 'how much?' and then raise they have a good hand"

I've been mostly making neat bets before. So, what if from now on I just make extremely messy bets, with different color chips mixed in. My goal is to force the opponent to ask "how much" if he decides to not fold.

In theory, because I'm forcing him to ask "how much", if he raises he has a good hand. Therefore, if I make messy bets with mixed colors I'm guaranteed not to be bluffed. Being completely protected against bluffs is a huge advantage.

This sounds like extremely +EV if it works. The theory doesn't seem to have any holes in it logically, if the theory is wrong then the premise "how much + raise = good hand" is wrong.

You guys think this move is practical?

No

I can't tell if this is a level or not. If not, no this will not work.

Clarification questions like "how much" generally convey strength... they don't always equal strength. Especially when the person genuinely can't tell "how much" it is to them. Also, I've seen it indicate almost as often that the player already knows what they're going to do. It's like they are indicating that they have a decision when they actually have already made it.

In my twenty years of poker experience, there is never a tell where "X + Y = Z"... it's always "X + Y ~= Z". Sometimes a shaking hand means Parkinsons and sometimes "How much?" means color-blindness.

Once I had no caught any cards for hours. Finally had jj in low limit game. Called preflop raise with 2 other players, K92 rainbow flop, called a bet, ( I know Dumb ), then called turn RAISE. One slow playing pocket Aces, the other had KJ suited. River came a Q. Kings bet, I raised and both folded. 2 rocks and BOTH sure THAT I had pocket QQ. My hand was shaking so bad when i stuttered R-r-r-r-aise. LOL

Sorry for the late response, this is my first post.

While the scenario you brought up is quite interesting, I think you actually achieve the reverse of what you are looking for in putting out a messy bet, in order to prompt the question.

I agree that it is a tell, when someone asks "how much is that", that player has a strong hand, compared to when they are tight lipped. If you were to force them to ask how much, you would now get the question from a base of confusion, rather than the psychological tick which happens when a player has a strong hand. If anything, you should stack the chips as neat as possible for the event where they would ask "how much"? Often I've found that when a player asks how much, when my stack is clean, give or take 15 dollars and it a clear jam or fold spot, they are indeed strong, and are ridiculous to be asking the question in the first place.

Keep going with that tell, its a good one.. But absolutely do not attempt to do what you posed in the OP.