TheJacob
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January 29th, 2014 at 5:15:53 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater


2. The rule does give away information if abused. A good dealer/floor/poker room director will make it very clear that the rule is not to be abused, and only used when suspecting collusion.



This is the key here. You won't be met with kind words if you try to see a mucked hand because you want the information or are curious.
paisiello
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January 29th, 2014 at 6:10:53 PM permalink
Kind words are rare at the cash games I play in, regardless.
speedycrap
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January 29th, 2014 at 6:57:12 PM permalink
Quote: TheJacob

This is the key here. You won't be met with kind words if you try to see a mucked hand because you want the information or are curious.


We are at the poker table for money not kind words!!!!!!!
AxelWolf
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January 29th, 2014 at 8:13:01 PM permalink
Different houses have different rules regarding this. for Along time most casinos forced the caller to show his hand, if asked by anyone dealt in. I know the Wynn finally got tired of this, and now you must have a legitimate claim of collusion. That's how it should be.

As I said, Some casinos let anyone ask to see the cards that were dealt into the hand and enforce this no matter what the situation is.

If some guy is just doing this to piss me off, I will take the cards and slide them under the cards in the muck, just to piss him off. I have had warnings not to do this. I have had places claim nothing they can do. I have had places go into the muck and try to fish it out.

I have had times where I have asked the dealer to protect the muck, knowing something was fishy.

I don't care what rule they have as long as its consistent. Allowing people to ask can cause friction and slow down the game.
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DJTeddyBear
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January 30th, 2014 at 7:58:33 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

You didn't ask this, but there is one more situation you should be familiar with. If the player exposes a winning hand face up at showdown, the dealer takes those face up cards and kills them in the muck and then pushes the pot to a competing player, the player with the original winning hand still gets the pot. That's part of the "cards speak" rule.

You got that backwards. If at showdown a player exposes his hand, cards speak. If that hand is a the best hand, it wins.


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When heads up, the dealer is small blind and gets the last card.

Why this is the case often confuses people.

He's the small blind so that he becomes first to act pre-flop and last post-flop. This is done so the action changes, just as it changes in a multi-hand game.

Then, because he's small blind, people think he gets the first card. Not true. The dealer always deals himself last, whether he's actually dealing or if there is a person doing the dealing.
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mickeycrimm
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January 30th, 2014 at 9:11:29 AM permalink
I consider the move to be extremely rude. I always retaliate by making the other player show his hands.
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sodawater
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January 30th, 2014 at 11:42:35 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

You got that backwards. If at showdown a player exposes his hand, cards speak. If that hand is a the best hand, it wins.



That's exactly what I said.

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