Dealer Disallowed My Raise
February 27th, 2013 at 7:22:46 PM
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Hi guys/gals. I've got another poker question being that I'm a newbie in this field. While I was playing on the East Coast, I was in the big blind, pre-flop on a 1-1 No Limit Holdem game. The small blind checked. Dealer motioned in my direction. I tried to raise $5. Dealer said I was not allowed to and would have to wait after the flop.
Any idea what just happened?
Any idea what just happened?
February 27th, 2013 at 7:36:23 PM
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he probably thought you checked via some sort of tapping motion. if you really didn't act yet you could always call the floor and the flop would go back in the deck.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:41:40 PM
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Quote: sodawaterhe probably thought you checked via some sort of tapping motion.
Likely this. Don't make any motion that is generally considered as a check if you intend to raise.
Note: You are allowed to raise in this situation, so you should have at least argued his poor response.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:56:48 PM
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If I was the Supervisor and was called to the table for this situation I would ask the Dealer what exactly he/she saw. If the Dealer says the player made a motion that was perceived to be a check, then that would be the decision. Just because a player didn't mean to or thinks they didn't check doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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February 27th, 2013 at 8:46:32 PM
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I had tossed a $5 chip into betting area and had verbally said raise. Maybe he ignored it?
February 27th, 2013 at 9:51:53 PM
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Quote: AsswhoopermcdaddyI had tossed a $5 chip into betting area and had verbally said raise. Maybe he ignored it?
what matters is what you did before that.
the only other thing i can think of is maybe the dealer thought you were under the gun instead of the BB, and had already called.
Or is it possible you WERE UTG instead of BB?
February 27th, 2013 at 10:59:21 PM
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Generally in a game like that he would have had a reason to disallow the raise, and if there was no reason, usually a player would call them out on it, or at least question it in one capacity or another, unless they saw it too? Without being there it would be very hard to know exactly what happened, and what their reasoning was.
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February 28th, 2013 at 1:00:46 AM
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You raised a really good question, but as you can see from the previous responses, we can't answer specifically here. We just responded with more questions or possibilities.
You should have immediately asked "why can't I raise?" and you wouldve gotten an answer. Maybe the dealer did make a mistake? We don't know.
Dealers do make mistakes. So do players.
But as you described the situation you were entitled to raise as the big blind as was mentioned above.
What happened to the $5 chip?
You should have immediately asked "why can't I raise?" and you wouldve gotten an answer. Maybe the dealer did make a mistake? We don't know.
Dealers do make mistakes. So do players.
But as you described the situation you were entitled to raise as the big blind as was mentioned above.
What happened to the $5 chip?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:04:44 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelson
What happened to the $5 chip?
I'm sure it was returned to him if the dealer forbid him to raise. But as more details have come out, more likely I think either the dealer thought OP was UTG instead of BB, or OP forgot he limped in UTG (likely the former scenario). $1/$1 games are uncommon and requires two checks to see a flop, which leads to an opportunity for a dealer error.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:49:35 AM
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Yeah, $1/$1 is uncommon. But I believe Bally's is the only casino in AC that has it, and they've had it for years, so the dealers should be used to it.
FYI They also have a $1/$3 with a $300 max buy in. The max on the $1/$1 is $100. They don't do $1/$2.
I echo the other comments. Dealers do make mistakes. The poster should have asked why and/or asked for a floor person's ruling.
FYI They also have a $1/$3 with a $300 max buy in. The max on the $1/$1 is $100. They don't do $1/$2.
I echo the other comments. Dealers do make mistakes. The poster should have asked why and/or asked for a floor person's ruling.
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February 28th, 2013 at 3:08:21 PM
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Quote: AsswhoopermcdaddyI had tossed a $5 chip into betting area and had verbally said raise. Maybe he ignored it?
If you tossed in the RED chip before saying raise then it was just a call. I've had this happen to me what I was told if you put in a single chip that covers the blind it's a call.
Future reference always say raise before putting in a chip and make sure dealer hears it.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:33:34 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearYeah, $1/$1 is uncommon. But I believe Bally's is the only casino in AC that has it, and they've had it for years, so the dealers should be used to it.
"East Coast" - could also be Mohegan Sun. I think it's relatively new there, and they don't always have the best dealers.
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February 28th, 2013 at 3:33:52 PM
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Good point. Single chip rule. You may have hit the nail on the head with that one.
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February 28th, 2013 at 3:34:31 PM
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Except that his white would have already been out, so it couldn't have been a call...
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February 28th, 2013 at 3:47:34 PM
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Quote: 24BingoExcept that his white would have already been out, so it couldn't have been a call...
I made that argument and was basically told It's a call as you may have wanted to break a red chip
February 28th, 2013 at 4:16:42 PM
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That's a BS reply, because if that were the case, the player would have begun with the red chip.Quote: whatmeI made that argument and was basically told It's a call as you may have wanted to break a red chip
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February 28th, 2013 at 4:31:54 PM
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Without being there and seeing what happened we can only make an educated guess. But let's look at this in a different light. A dealers job is to call the game. I'm not saying they have to call out every single action such as check, check, bet, fold, raise, call, call, call but at the very least any significate action such as bets and raises. And before exposing any board cards annouce the number of players remaining in the hand, tap the table burn and turn. Now during this moment of anouncing and tapping the table you as a player have every right to call "time" which in turn should stop the dealer to find out what your issue is. This "time" call can also be used if you didn't act yet and players behind you are acting.
I only bring this up because calling "time" will help avoid some bad situations in the future.
I only bring this up because calling "time" will help avoid some bad situations in the future.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:46:42 PM
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Quote: Zcore13Good point. Single chip rule. You may have hit the nail on the head with that one.
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This.... I play poker in Arizona and this has definitely happened. Guys try to raise the $2 blind to five but they don't say raise. If you just throw in one red $5 chip, even if you have a stack of white chips, without verbally calling a raise then you have only called. Literally seen dozens of times.
Edit... Seems weird if he was the big blind though. I can't see any reason his raise would not have counted. Maybe he just remember the hand wrong and was small blind?
February 28th, 2013 at 5:51:25 PM
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Quote: BeardgoatThis.... I play poker in Arizona and this has definitely happened. Guys try to raise the $2 blind to five but they don't say raise. If you just throw in one red $5 chip, even if you have a stack of white chips, without verbally calling a raise then you have only called. Literally seen dozens of times.
This is NOT the case here. OP said he was BB in a 1/1 game. So, he had a white chip already over the bet line. Action comes to him and he throws in a $5 chip. That is a $5 raise, unless he called a different amount. It is NOT A CALL, since he already had the call amount there from his BB.
As others have guessed, the dealer mistakenly assumed he was UTG, or the OP made some gesture prior to throwing out the $5 chip which the dealer interpreted as a check. Perhaps he tapped the $5 chip on the felt a couple of times and then tossed it?
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February 28th, 2013 at 8:59:05 PM
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I don't know exactly what happened and I don't think we'll ever know the full story. The original OP obviously didn't demand clarification, which he should have done if he was confused by the decision. The dealer obviously made the decision based on something. He either perceived a check or made a mistake, but if the OP doesn't know the answer we sure aren't going to be able to determine for sure what it was.
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