Devices for tracking and counting numbvers for Keno, lottery, etc.
July 3rd, 2011 at 7:52:58 PM
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Are there any devices anywhere that will count numbers drawn in Keno and/or lottery?
July 4th, 2011 at 10:29:01 AM
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Excel? The problem is that, unlike card shoes, I don't think that keno/lotto globes continue removing balls until a certain penetration is reached. I think that balls drawn out are fed back in, making the globes a sort of continuous shuffling machine (CSM). You could maybe do the kind of research that people have done with CSMs, involving tracking how long a ball fed back into the machine will take before it can be drawn again (that is, can a certain number, just having been drawn, be assured not to be drawn again for x amount of time/draws?). I guess.
July 5th, 2011 at 7:05:42 AM
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There have been tracking apps for lotteries (and, presumably, keno) for almost as long as apps have existed.
Keep in mind that most lotteries have multiple sets of balls (and a number of casinos have different sets of keno blowers in play at any given time as well), so even if they didn't go out of their way to try to get every ball to act the same as every other ball, "tracking" is a fairly meaningless exercise.
Keep in mind that most lotteries have multiple sets of balls (and a number of casinos have different sets of keno blowers in play at any given time as well), so even if they didn't go out of their way to try to get every ball to act the same as every other ball, "tracking" is a fairly meaningless exercise.
July 5th, 2011 at 7:20:43 AM
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Quote: ThatDonGuy"tracking" is a fairly meaningless exercise.
My thoughts exactly. Unless you're Ron White and can figure out an RNG on a video Keno machine, tracking the numbers does nothing except fill a void in an otherwise boring, slow moving game.
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July 5th, 2011 at 7:25:51 AM
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Let us assume for a moment that such a device could reveal a pattern and that you could expect an inceased chance of, for argument's sake, the 35 would be 4% more likely to appear as the next ball or in the next series of selected balls. Keno has such an amazingly huge house edge that it just wouldn't matter and you would still have to get the other 2 to 11 balls.
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July 5th, 2011 at 8:40:09 AM
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Oh, it would be useless for making selections but it might be entertaining for some and it certainly might be profitable to sell the results to people dumb enough to believe they had any value.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:22:44 AM
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July 6th, 2011 at 7:39:41 AM
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Quote: s2dbakerLet us assume for a moment that such a device could reveal a pattern and that you could expect an inceased chance of, for argument's sake, the 35 would be 4% more likely to appear as the next ball or in the next series of selected balls.
Then play a 1-spot ticket on that one number.
I would not be surprised if casinos and lottery commissions already use "devices" like this in order to detect irregularities - and chances are that they will find (and correct) them long before you will.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:21:57 AM
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A $1 1-spot keno ticket pays $3 with a 25% chance to win for a 75% RTP (or 25% house edge). Even if the chance to win were 30% (a 20% increase), you'd still be looking at a 10% house edge. The house edge in keno is so massive that it dominates any gains you might get by tracking numbers -- unless you can actually *predict* the numbers with near certainty. That's happened before, but it wasn't done using bias-detection systems. It was done by syncing up with the RNG and knowing the future numbers.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
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July 6th, 2011 at 10:25:06 AM
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thanks, I wanted to say that but couldn't put it into verbiage as nice as that.Quote: MathExtremistA $1 1-spot keno ticket pays $3 with a 25% chance to win for a 75% RTP (or 25% house edge). Even if the chance to win were 30% (a 20% increase), you'd still be looking at a 10% house edge. The house edge in keno is so massive that it dominates any gains you might get by tracking numbers -- unless you can actually *predict* the numbers with near certainty. That's happened before, but it wasn't done using bias-detection systems. It was done by syncing up with the RNG and knowing the future numbers.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
July 6th, 2011 at 12:14:33 PM
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Never underestimate a state run lottery bureauacracy's capacity for being asleep at the switch. I recall one man who broke the ticket code for the Ontario Lottery and was ignored until he sent them an evelope full of winners.Quote: ThatDonGuy- and chances are that they will find (and correct) them long before you will.
Do I think there are these overly worn ping pong balls that bounced into each other too hard or too long? No. Do I think it would give some sort of edge? No. Do I think the lottery commission would be alert? No, not at all.
