Deuces Wild Table Game
March 7th, 2011 at 4:13:30 PM
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I noticed this table game at the Red Rock recently, with NicksGamingStuff. Here is a link to a first look at the page. As always with such previews, I welcome all corrections, comments, suggestions, questions, etc..
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 7th, 2011 at 4:22:34 PM
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Quote: WizardAs always with such previews, I welcome all corrections, comments, suggestions, questions, etc..
I will so hold you to this :P
In the intro you refer to the game as "Let it Ride."
The payouts in the first table (Pay Table) don't match those in the second table (Deuces Wild Return Table) do not match. Example, in the first a antural royal pays 1,000, in the second it pays 4,000.
That's it for corrections. As for comments, isn't a 6.86% house edge worse than the worst DW paytable in VP? If not, how does this game comapre to a really bad DW paytable with a 96% or so return?
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March 7th, 2011 at 4:26:48 PM
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A general suggestion, not specifically directed to this game per se:
If you gather product literature (e.g. rack cards) or other casino information on such games, can you scan and/or otherwise host them on your site? I obviously have a professional interest, but it may be useful for others to see the marketing materials as well as your description of the game.
If you gather product literature (e.g. rack cards) or other casino information on such games, can you scan and/or otherwise host them on your site? I obviously have a professional interest, but it may be useful for others to see the marketing materials as well as your description of the game.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
March 7th, 2011 at 5:07:26 PM
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I just made some changes per the above comments.
The reason the win for a natural royal was 4000 in the return table, is the player would have bet 4 units by the end of the hand, so would have won 4*1000=4000.
I debated with myself about adding a rule card. What held me back is I didn't want to violate copyright. However, I can't see Galaxy Gaming (the owners of the game) getting angry about the free publicity they are getting from me. The CEO is a very nice guy. So per your suggestion, I just added it.
The reason the win for a natural royal was 4000 in the return table, is the player would have bet 4 units by the end of the hand, so would have won 4*1000=4000.
I debated with myself about adding a rule card. What held me back is I didn't want to violate copyright. However, I can't see Galaxy Gaming (the owners of the game) getting angry about the free publicity they are getting from me. The CEO is a very nice guy. So per your suggestion, I just added it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 7th, 2011 at 5:11:03 PM
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Quote: WizardThe reason the win for a natural royal was 4000 in the return table, is the player would have bet 4 units by the end of the hand, so would have won 4*1000=4000.
Oops! Sorry. I should have noticed that. On the other hand I'm terrible at math.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
March 8th, 2011 at 5:32:31 AM
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It seems interesting. Not much better or worse than any of the other carnival games / poker variants out there.
In the Rules section:
Personally, I would have used "total" instead of "aggregate". You're wording is even better - but change "may" to "must".
Can you think of any reason Galaxy Gaming chose "aggregate" ?
In the Rules section:
On the scan of the rules card, this is phrased as, "...make an additional wager equal to the aggregate of your ante and play wagers."Quote:6. The player may make a Raise wager, equal to two times is Ante wager, or fold.
Personally, I would have used "total" instead of "aggregate". You're wording is even better - but change "may" to "must".
Can you think of any reason Galaxy Gaming chose "aggregate" ?
I LOVE the way you phrased that last part. It got me laughing!Quote:Note: Making the Raise bet on a low pair is exactly a break-even situation. The player can expect to lose two units on average whether raising or folding. Personally, I suggest raising in such situations, because the player has already established that he is a risk taker by gambling in the first place.
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March 8th, 2011 at 7:23:05 AM
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It sound like Wild Hold 'em Fold 'em you write about in 2001.
Introduction
Wild Hold 'em Fold 'em Poker is yet another new poker variation table game.
This is evidently the first wild card table game to achieve any degree of success. As of February, 2001, it is at about half the Las Vegas casinos.
Casinos that I know have it are Fitzgeralds, the Sahara, the Fiesta, and the Texas Station.
The closest game to compare this to is Let it Ride. However in this game the player must keep raising to stay in or fold, and the deuces are wild. The house edge and element of risk are rather high, so play at your own risk.
The Rules
The game is played with a single deck of cards, which is shuffled after every hand.
The player begins by placing an ante bet in the "ante" square.
Player receives three cards face down.
After looking at cards player must decide to either bet or fold. If the player folds he forfeits his ante. If player bets he must put an amount equal to the ante in the "bet" square.
All players who bet receive a fourth card.
After examining the four-card hand all players still in must decide to raise or fold. If player folds he forfeits both the ante and bet. If player raises he must place an amount equal to double the ante in the "raise" square.
All players still in the game receive a fifth and final card, which pays according to the pay table below.
Pay Table for Wild Hold 'em Fold 'em Poker
Hand Payoff
Natural royal flush 1000 to 1
Four deuces 200 to 1
Wild royal flush 30 to 1
Five of a kind 20 to 1
Straight flush 10 to 1
Four of a kind 4 to 1
Full house 4 to 1
Flush 4 to 1
Straight 3 to 1
Three of a kind 1 to 1
Two pair 1 to 1
Pair of aces 1 to 4
Introduction
Wild Hold 'em Fold 'em Poker is yet another new poker variation table game.
This is evidently the first wild card table game to achieve any degree of success. As of February, 2001, it is at about half the Las Vegas casinos.
Casinos that I know have it are Fitzgeralds, the Sahara, the Fiesta, and the Texas Station.
The closest game to compare this to is Let it Ride. However in this game the player must keep raising to stay in or fold, and the deuces are wild. The house edge and element of risk are rather high, so play at your own risk.
The Rules
The game is played with a single deck of cards, which is shuffled after every hand.
The player begins by placing an ante bet in the "ante" square.
Player receives three cards face down.
After looking at cards player must decide to either bet or fold. If the player folds he forfeits his ante. If player bets he must put an amount equal to the ante in the "bet" square.
All players who bet receive a fourth card.
After examining the four-card hand all players still in must decide to raise or fold. If player folds he forfeits both the ante and bet. If player raises he must place an amount equal to double the ante in the "raise" square.
All players still in the game receive a fifth and final card, which pays according to the pay table below.
Pay Table for Wild Hold 'em Fold 'em Poker
Hand Payoff
Natural royal flush 1000 to 1
Four deuces 200 to 1
Wild royal flush 30 to 1
Five of a kind 20 to 1
Straight flush 10 to 1
Four of a kind 4 to 1
Full house 4 to 1
Flush 4 to 1
Straight 3 to 1
Three of a kind 1 to 1
Two pair 1 to 1
Pair of aces 1 to 4
Stephen Au-Yeung (Legend of New Table Games®) NewTableGames.com
March 8th, 2011 at 7:46:02 AM
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Quote: MrCasinoGamesIt sound like Wild Hold 'em Fold 'em you write about in 2001.
"Like" ?
It sounds IDENTICAL!
Quite possibly the same game with a new name, trying to renew interest, and the Wiz forgot about the prior version.
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On a related note, I did a quick Google search to see if maybe Galaxy Gaming is the distributor behind the old one. I couldn't find it.
However, I did find a site that has a description that is word-for-word, the same as on the Wiz' Wild Hold Em Fold Em page:
http://on-linecasino-games.blogspot.com/2009/04/wild-holdem-foldem-poker.html
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March 8th, 2011 at 8:03:54 AM
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Quote: MrCasinoGamesIt sound like Wild Hold 'em Fold 'em you write about in 2001.
SHIT!!!!!!!!! What a %^#*@& waste of time! What really makes me feel stupid is I knew Galaxy bought the Wild Hold 'Em Fold 'Em game, but I forgot that I analyzed it. I should have spent my time yesterday doing Rupert's Island instead.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 8th, 2011 at 9:24:53 AM
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Quote: MrCasinoGamesIt sound like Wild Hold 'em Fold 'em you write about in 2001.
...As of February, 2001, it is at about half the Las Vegas casinos.
By 2008, it was pulled out of the majority of casinos that once had them, as was mini-Pai Gow, Let it Ride, etc.
Went into complete life-support mode, and Galaxy bought it up and did a resurrection.
Resuscitation, really. Oxygen mask, IV drip - CLEAR! [bang!] beep...beep...beep, it's back.
Quote: MrCasinoGamesCasinos that I know have it are Fitzgeralds, the Sahara, the Fiesta, and the Texas Station.
The closest game to compare this to is Let it Ride. However in this game the player must keep raising to stay in or fold, and the deuces are wild. The house edge and element of risk are rather high, so play at your own risk.
Yup, we have it at the Fiesta. Dealt it last week on a relief string.
And...in order to stay in a hand, players have to bet after they've bet the ANTE, and THEN Raise double after that, for a total of FOUR units to play out any hand.
Some players like it, and it has a small loyal following.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
March 8th, 2011 at 6:54:08 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanQuote: MrCasinoGamesIt sound like Wild Hold 'em Fold 'em you write about in 2001.
...As of February, 2001, it is at about half the Las Vegas casinos.
By 2008, it was pulled out of the majority of casinos that once had them, as was mini-Pai Gow, Let it Ride, etc.
Went into complete life-support mode, and Galaxy bought it up and did a resurrection.
Resuscitation, really. Oxygen mask, IV drip - CLEAR! [bang!] beep...beep...beep, it's back.
Yup, we have it at the Fiesta. Dealt it last week on a relief string.
And...in order to stay in a hand, players have to bet after they've bet the ANTE, and THEN Raise double after that, for a total of FOUR units to play out any hand.
Some players like it, and it has a small loyal following.
Hold em Fold em was a knock-out if you could put together a string of deuce rich hands that are sure winners. You could make big money quick.
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March 8th, 2011 at 7:10:59 PM
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Quote: Ayecarumba
Hold em Fold em was a knock-out if you could put together a string of deuce rich hands that are sure winners. You could make big money quick.
Yes....it could dump the house, or take income from the players. A pretty volitile table. Three-Card poker too, with quarter action or better.
Both profitable and some risk, - in either direction. I can tap into a table and see one guy with $2,000 in black and green on a $200 buy-in, smiling, and another player seeing that all, and chasing $100 after $100 bill try to experience that he winner had. Granted, all games (BJ, etc) have swings and volitiity, but not the way some poker variants can sometimes seem to behave. Look, it's gambling.
We are in the gambling buiness, - essentially and exactly.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
March 9th, 2011 at 2:03:18 PM
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Exactly Paigowdan. Dream Maker, Heartbreaker.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
September 16th, 2014 at 1:21:56 PM
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Anyone know which Vegas casinos still have this game? I used to play it at Palace Station when it was Wild Hold Em Fold Em.
September 16th, 2014 at 1:52:50 PM
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The D had it as recently as March.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
October 9th, 2016 at 9:00:46 PM
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Anybody know of any other casinos that have this game? I saw it in Laughlin recently at Riverside.
October 10th, 2016 at 9:34:45 AM
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Quote: NoncompeteAnybody know of any other casinos that have this game? I saw it in Laughlin recently at Riverside.
I played some version of it at Harrah's Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago.
