pachinko sux
January 26th, 2011 at 11:38:18 PM
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I tried playing pachinko at Betvoyager for small money. Cool game, but every time I seem to lose a little bit. I've done about 20 spins, and I think I've been in the plus about 3x. Could this be a bug in the game? Or am I doing something wrong (although how can you do something wrong in Pachinko)? Anybody else play and get better results?
January 27th, 2011 at 12:36:48 AM
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Not that this is very relevant....
I own a real pachinko machine, will try and find a link to details of the game.
But it is very very difficult to win much from it, but when you do... It's huge!
Maybe the game is meant to replicate this??
I own a real pachinko machine, will try and find a link to details of the game.
But it is very very difficult to win much from it, but when you do... It's huge!
Maybe the game is meant to replicate this??
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
January 30th, 2011 at 11:52:02 AM
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I've always wondered why Vegas didn't import or create their own pachinko machines... should be a big hit, what with all the growing curiosity in japanese culture; it would also be a fresh twist too from the current slot machines, instead of having to come up with the 500,001th way to award "10 free spins".
February 2nd, 2011 at 2:50:49 AM
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To Wizard, it seems that you are right. I've hit a couple jackpots and have been crawling back.
To gog, that is an interesting question. They have those multi-level pachinko houses all over Japan, it makes no sense that Vegas wouldn't try it out on a small level, as some kind of promo-action. At the least, they could corner the casual Asian traveler market! Maybe they know something we don't
To gog, that is an interesting question. They have those multi-level pachinko houses all over Japan, it makes no sense that Vegas wouldn't try it out on a small level, as some kind of promo-action. At the least, they could corner the casual Asian traveler market! Maybe they know something we don't
February 2nd, 2011 at 8:21:18 AM
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Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Pachinko a Japanese institution for extreme low rollers? That has been my opinion of it and if that turns out to be correct, I could easily see why Vegas casinos want to steer clear of it. Does that new Asian bar that opened in China Town in Vegas feature any such distinctly oriental game?
February 4th, 2011 at 2:36:33 PM
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Quote: diggityI tried playing pachinko at Betvoyager for small money. Cool game, but every time I seem to lose a little bit. I've done about 20 spins, and I think I've been in the plus about 3x. Could this be a bug in the game? Or am I doing something wrong (although how can you do something wrong in Pachinko)? Anybody else play and get better results?
which game did you play ( house edge or no house edge)?
I played their no house edge pachinko and made some profit.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:29:14 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffPardon my ignorance, but isn't Pachinko a Japanese institution for extreme low rollers? That has been my opinion of it and if that turns out to be correct, I could easily see why Vegas casinos want to steer clear of it. Does that new Asian bar that opened in China Town in Vegas feature any such distinctly oriental game?
I don't know if that's true, but even if it was couldn't any casino just raise the limits and call it a high roller game. Take blackjack for example, there are places offering $3 table minimums, and then there are those snobs dealing at Bellagio who give you dirty looks for playing less than $25. Or you can take a burger, replace the frozen patty with kobi and charge thirty bucks.
A reason you may see pachinko places as scummy is that gambling isn't allowed in Japan; therefore their patrons are not gambling, they are just playing for prizes like when you take your high school date to exchange game tickets for a stuffed animal, except that here every single prize is more marbles. Coincidentally an avid marble collector resides near every establishment, and will be all too happy to buy them off you. With setup like that it's hard not to appear shady, no such problem in vegas though.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:31:44 PM
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I have a Japanese pachislo (a Japanese version of a slot machine) that they also have in pachinko parlors.
It has a switch for setting the payouts inside. I found it interesting that the payouts range from 97% to 116%. I assume that's because the parlor (exchanging tokens for prizes) can still make a profit at 116%.
I have had my machine set on the highest payout so I can see all the bonus games. In some ways, it's not as fun to play when you know you are more likely to win. But I have still hit some pretty long losing streaks. I guess any slot is going to be pretty volatile.
It has a switch for setting the payouts inside. I found it interesting that the payouts range from 97% to 116%. I assume that's because the parlor (exchanging tokens for prizes) can still make a profit at 116%.
I have had my machine set on the highest payout so I can see all the bonus games. In some ways, it's not as fun to play when you know you are more likely to win. But I have still hit some pretty long losing streaks. I guess any slot is going to be pretty volatile.
February 5th, 2011 at 5:10:28 AM
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Sure, but if its presently played by Japanese who are too poor to fly to real casino and is associated with parlors clearly connected to organized crime and police bribery issues then why should a Vegas casino want to attract that sort of reputation or clientele?Quote: gogI don't know if that's true, but even if it was couldn't any casino just raise the limits and call it a high roller game.
If a Bellagio dealer gave you a dirty look for betting less than 25.00 at Blackjack its simply an indication of the market segment that the Bellagio is seeking. Its similar to the review on this site wherein two young and stunningly attractive ladies walked through a casino and the dealer commented "Don't they know this is the Flamingo".
The adoption of Pachinko in a Vegas casino would be akin to a Vegas casino installing a slot machine called Free Crack Cocaine. It is going to attract an undesired demographic.
February 5th, 2011 at 10:52:26 AM
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Quote: FleaStiff
The adoption of Pachinko in a Vegas casino would be akin to a Vegas casino installing a slot machine called Free Crack Cocaine. It is going to attract an undesired demographic.
I thought that was what "Kitty Glitter" referred to.
February 6th, 2011 at 12:47:16 PM
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Well for a long time the game has been very beatable. It had a 10% player advantage.
All you had to do was bet 1 when the chances of a jackpot were high and bet 0.01 when the chances of a jackpot were low.
I was able to win approximately $5,000 from this game before the casino fixed the problem. (they fixed the game by setting the chances of winning the jackpot to low after every sequence of bets (during the sequence the bet size cannot be changed).
All you had to do was bet 1 when the chances of a jackpot were high and bet 0.01 when the chances of a jackpot were low.
I was able to win approximately $5,000 from this game before the casino fixed the problem. (they fixed the game by setting the chances of winning the jackpot to low after every sequence of bets (during the sequence the bet size cannot be changed).
February 7th, 2011 at 8:25:43 AM
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Quote: androidwhich game did you play ( house edge or no house edge)?
I played their no house edge pachinko and made some profit.
I played with house edge. I don't like paying the withdrawal commission. Anyway, I crawled back. Just hit a bad streak to start.
Commander, how did you count the sequences? After x amount of spins the jackpot repeated, so you knew when to up the bet? Something like that?
Damn, I wish had paid more attention.
February 8th, 2011 at 9:03:11 PM
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The key to gaining an edge were these simple facts
When the fish were apart there is a large player advantage,
when the fish were together the house has a large edge.
(In the randomness control area it informs the player of the exact probability of any event happening in each state of the game)
As the game allowed you to change your bet between each sequence of balls going up, I was able to bet .01 when the fish were apart, and 1 euro when the fish were together.
I created a computer program that simulated the game. From this simulation I learned that I could maximize profit per hour by sending up 25 balls at a time and that it would be more beneficial to play the no-house edge version and pay the 10% fee.
When the fish were apart there is a large player advantage,
when the fish were together the house has a large edge.
(In the randomness control area it informs the player of the exact probability of any event happening in each state of the game)
As the game allowed you to change your bet between each sequence of balls going up, I was able to bet .01 when the fish were apart, and 1 euro when the fish were together.
I created a computer program that simulated the game. From this simulation I learned that I could maximize profit per hour by sending up 25 balls at a time and that it would be more beneficial to play the no-house edge version and pay the 10% fee.
February 9th, 2011 at 6:24:15 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffSure, but if its presently played by Japanese who are too poor to fly to real casino and is associated with parlors clearly connected to organized crime and police bribery issues then why should a Vegas casino want to attract that sort of reputation or clientele?
They wouldn't, in the same way that foie gras dumplings don't attract 70 year old asian women out to have breakfast with grandson before their morning tai chi sessions. As someone who used to frequent dim sum parlors, i found that stuff blasphemous. My american friend found it exotic.
February 9th, 2011 at 7:12:40 PM
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Quote: gogI've always wondered why Vegas didn't import or create their own pachinko machines... should be a big hit, what with all the growing curiosity in japanese culture; it would also be a fresh twist too from the current slot machines, instead of having to come up with the 500,001th way to award "10 free spins".
why not baring back bingo pinball games? Overseas they have ones with LCD screens in the back glass
February 26th, 2011 at 1:04:30 AM
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Quote: JoeTheDragonwhy not baring back bingo pinball games? Overseas they have ones with LCD screens in the back glass
Amen.
February 26th, 2011 at 2:23:06 AM
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I've no idea if Tai Chi or Dim Sum was found by you to be blasphemous. Each is generally accepted though it is indeed often thought that tai chi is exotic. I just think that if in Japan those parlors are merely tolerated and the patrons are frowned upon, its an unlikely candidate for acceptance in the USA.
