SuperNatural
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January 26th, 2021 at 1:39:11 PM permalink
Do you have a house edge for this game? wizardofodds.com/games/face-up-three-card-poker/

I ran the strategy from the link above thru a sim and have roughly -3%

Discount Gambling has -1.8% given his simplified strategy.

I figure there's something up with my code but thanks for reading.
ThatDonGuy
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January 26th, 2021 at 1:49:05 PM permalink
Are you remembering to raise if you have a flush or straight, even if none of the cards are 9 or better?
SuperNatural
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January 26th, 2021 at 2:14:38 PM permalink
Yes but I am also raising with any Pair or better.

If I have just High Card then ..

A,9,2 and higher: Always raise
8,7,5 and lower: Always fold

Otherwise I refer to his table.
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July 18th, 2021 at 9:15:07 AM permalink
Quote: SuperNatural

Do you have a house edge for this game? wizardofodds.com/games/face-up-three-card-poker/

Some casinos allow one to play the bonus (pair plus) only. For me, I have a two-fold edge: 1) only one bet which saves me 67% of my buy in so I get to play 3X longer, and 2) I am not playing against the house so that their hands never come into play. I either win or lose on my cards. One other thing, I never look at my cards. The dealer turns them over. A \$10 table gives me a minimum 10 hands to play.

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Mission146
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July 18th, 2021 at 9:26:53 AM permalink
Interesting use of the word, "Edge."
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Quote: Mission146

Interesting use of the word, "Edge."

Sometimes "edge" doesn't necessarily mean winning. It just might allow for extended gaming and the possibility of beating the House during that extended time at the table
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Just thinking a bit outside the box.

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July 18th, 2021 at 11:03:27 AM permalink
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Sometimes "edge" doesn't necessarily mean winning. It just might allow for extended gaming and the possibility of beating the House during that extended time at the table
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Just thinking a bit outside the box.

tuttigym

I just said it was an interesting way to use the word. You can use any word in any way you want, boxes notwithstanding.

We use, “House edge,” so it typically means the equivalent of, “Advantage,” in gambling parlance.

You’re using it to mean, “Perhaps losing slightly more slowly,” which I guess isn’t totally untrue given that there is some correlation between winning the Pair Plus side bet and a greater probability of winning on the main game. I guess only playing one is technically less bad than playing both.

I don’t know the House Edge of your Pair Plus bet as I have never been to the casino in question.

As ever, what has even more of an, “Edge,” than playing this your way is not playing that game at all. House Edge of 0%, expected loss of \$0.00 and, in terms of time, you can NOT play the three-card poker game for the rest of your life, if you want not to.
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I just said it was an interesting way to use the word. You can use any word in any way you want, boxes notwithstanding.

Yes, I can.

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We use, “House edge,” so it typically means the equivalent of, “Advantage,” in gambling parlance.

Perhaps you have noticed that I am not the "typical" type. You ever go to court and fight a speeding citation or a parking ticket? I have and even though that "House Edge" is huge, I have won. I am NOT a lawyer either. I don't do "typical."

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You’re using it to mean, “Perhaps losing slightly more slowly,” which I guess isn’t totally untrue given that there is some correlation between winning the Pair Plus side bet and a greater probability of winning on the main game. I guess only playing one is technically less bad than playing both.

I knew you would see the positive side.

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I don’t know the House Edge of your Pair Plus bet as I have never been to the casino in question.

It does not matter, for me, it is fun, and sometimes I actually walk away a winner.

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As ever, what has even more of an, “Edge,” than playing this your way is not playing that game at all. House Edge of 0%, expected loss of \$0.00 and, in terms of time, you can NOT play the three-card poker game for the rest of your life, if you want not to.

Actually, you are wrong again. Playing with the possibility of winning or not, if one is really aware, can provide a sense of well-being and joy.

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July 18th, 2021 at 11:34:26 AM permalink
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Yes, I can.

I know you can. I just said you could. You don't even need my permission, though. I can also start referring to faucets and instead call them, "Vacuum cleaners," without the need for your permission.

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Perhaps you have noticed that I am not the "typical" type. You ever go to court and fight a speeding citation or a parking ticket? I have and even though that "House Edge" is huge, I have won. I am NOT a lawyer either. I don't do "typical."

I hadn't noticed anything about you. I respond to posts and click, "Thank you." I don't even look at who the poster I am responding to was most of the time. I've never received a speeding citation to fight. I fought a defiant trespass charge once, if that counts. I lost. I think I'd have won had I appealed.

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I knew you would see the positive side.

I saw the, "Less negative than it could theoretically be," side. It's the far side, but not so far as to be outside of the box.

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It does not matter, for me, it is fun, and sometimes I actually walk away a winner.

We're here to discuss gambling, so I opine. Powerball ticket buyers sometimes win. As long as you enjoy what you are playing, it's all good.

It just surprises me why you would post here or what you might be expecting. You don't need any assistance we can provide to be a losing gambler. It's so easy that most people do it without the need for any outside contribution or ideas.

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Actually, you are wrong again. Playing with the possibility of winning or not, if one is really aware, can provide a sense of well-being and joy.

tuttigym

I do not get a sense of well-being or joy from being in casinos. But, if I win the money that I am expected to win playing with an advantage, I can use that money to buy things that might provide a sense of well-being and joy when I am no longer in the casino.

In both cases, that sense is fleeting, of course, and ultimately doesn't matter. Nor does this conversation. I'll leave you alone now; have a pleasant day.
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July 18th, 2021 at 4:32:07 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I know you can. I just said you could. You don't even need my permission, though. I can also start referring to faucets and instead call them, "Vacuum cleaners," without the need for your permission.

Yes you did and yes you can.

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I hadn't noticed anything about you. I respond to posts and click, "Thank you." I don't even look at who the poster I am responding to was most of the time. I've never received a speeding citation to fight. I fought a defiant trespass charge once, if that counts. I lost. I think I'd have won had I appealed.

When one stands up for their righteous cause, it always counts. Did you defend yourself or did you have help? You do not have to answer. What is important is that you took a stand. Appeals can be expensive and extremely time consuming and sometimes stressful.

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We're here to discuss gambling, so I opine. Powerball ticket buyers sometimes win. As long as you enjoy what you are playing, it's all good.

Yes it is.

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It just surprises me why you would post here or what you might be expecting. You don't need any assistance we can provide to be a losing gambler. It's so easy that most people do it without the need for any outside contribution or ideas.

I read; I ask questions: I get feedback; I learn. In the next paragraph, you talk of your "expectation" of "winning" and "playing with an advantage." So enlighten me, what game or venue and what particular play gives you that "advantage."? Does that "advantage" produce "winning" at a rate that exceeds 60%? You see. I read. I ask questions. Hopefully, I will get feedback. I will learn.

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July 18th, 2021 at 4:42:27 PM permalink
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Yes you did and yes you can.

When one stands up for their righteous cause, it always counts. Did you defend yourself or did you have help? You do not have to answer. What is important is that you took a stand. Appeals can be expensive and extremely time consuming and sometimes stressful.

Myself, the fine I was trying to avoid would have been nullified (and more) by attorney costs had I won. Not appealing was kind of a probability decision based on known expense of doing so, assumed time involved and what I perceived as my probability of winning on appeal.

I’m probably overestimating my probability of winning on appeal. I’m an eternal optimist, if you couldn’t tell. /sarcasm

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Yes it is.

I read; I ask questions: I get feedback; I learn. In the next paragraph, you talk of your "expectation" of "winning" and "playing with an advantage." So enlighten me, what game or venue and what particular play gives you that "advantage."? Does that "advantage" produce "winning" at a rate that exceeds 60%? You see. I read. I ask questions. Hopefully, I will get feedback. I will learn.

tuttigym

I’ve written about a good many plays which are too numerous to list here, and those are just the ones I’ve written about.

Without even getting into non-US regulated casinos, there are US regulated ones that offer new member promos (online) in which the playthrough is so low, combined with the games available/allowed on some, that it’s all but impossible to lose if you bet conservatively.

PA Skill Games are such that you can literally win 100% of the time, if you choose, because you know the next result in advance on many of them. Sometimes it’s a Free Games or some other bonus, so you don’t always know exactly how much you will win, but even those are profitable 100% of the time.

As far as other games with 60%+ profit probability, sure, I could probably name ten…but you’ll get so few plays only looking for plays with that high a profit probability rate that the actual profits wouldn’t justify the time spent looking for them.

But, if the goal is to never lose…never making a bet also guarantees that you won’t.
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July 18th, 2021 at 5:19:21 PM permalink
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Myself, the fine I was trying to avoid would have been nullified (and more) by attorney costs had I won. Not appealing was kind of a probability decision based on known expense of doing so, assumed time involved and what I perceived as my probability of winning on appeal.

Very smart.

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I’ve written about a good many plays which are too numerous to list here, and those are just the ones I’ve written about.

Could you direct me to one of your articles?

Quote: Mission146

Without even getting into non-US regulated casinos, there are US regulated ones that offer new member promos (online) in which the playthrough is so low, combined with the games available/allowed on some, that it’s all but impossible to lose if you bet conservatively.

PA Skill Games are such that you can literally win 100% of the time, if you choose, because you know the next result in advance on many of them. Sometimes it’s a Free Games or some other bonus, so you don’t always know exactly how much you will win, but even those are profitable 100% of the time.

As far as other games with 60%+ profit probability, sure, I could probably name ten…but you’ll get so few plays only looking for plays with that high a profit probability rate that the actual profits wouldn’t justify the time spent looking for them.

I am unfamiliar with online games, and I don't trust them. That might be unreasonable but it comes from an uneducated sense that the internet can rig or infiltrate anything. PA Skill Games? What are they and where can they be found?

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But, if the goal is to never lose…never making a bet also guarantees that you won’t.

Yes, indeed!!

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Mission146
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July 18th, 2021 at 5:40:38 PM permalink
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Very smart.

Could you direct me to one of your articles?

I am unfamiliar with online games, and I don't trust them. That might be unreasonable but it comes from an uneducated sense that the internet can rig or infiltrate anything. PA Skill Games? What are they and where can they be found?

Yes, indeed!!

tuttigym

Sure, the articles are just in the articles tab. Or, you could search, “Mission146 Just Don’t Lose,” for the most common skill game that I’m talking about.

The internet probably can rig or infiltrate anything, but there are play logs for these. BetRivers.com, deposit \$250 and get a \$250 deposit match, Video Poker is allowed with a 1x playthrough requirement and you can bet as little as \$0.10/hand. That’s one of a few similar in concept.

Effectively, you’d have to run worse than 50% over 5,000 hands to lose money. That’s essentially not possible.

It’s online, so you could use the hand analyzer on WizardofOdds, or just print off basic strategy for a game. If you’re really concerned, then basic is good and maybe not being computer-perfect in case they looked into your play—-which I seriously doubt.

PA Skill Games are just certain machines in Pennsylvania that have not technically been made illegal, yet. Virginia had some of the same games, but now those are illegal and Georgia has some of the same—which are expressly legal.
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Okay, Thanks. I will look at the articles and look into BetRivers. You offer mental challenges for me, so I will continue to engage. Your self-described "arrogance" will not deter as I can "push-back" when my intellect allows me.

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Mission146
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July 19th, 2021 at 6:01:37 AM permalink
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Okay, Thanks. I will look at the articles and look into BetRivers. You offer mental challenges for me, so I will continue to engage. Your self-described "arrogance" will not deter as I can "push-back" when my intellect allows me.

tuttigym

That all sounds fine. To be clear, I have decided to only write about absolute layups (on this site) in the future, unless I am specifically asked by the sites to analyze a particular game or promotion.

Consequently, I will only express opinions, in articles, (unless directly asked to do otherwise) about plays that I have done myself and that are total layups. In general, any opinions expressed about plays (in posts) that I have not personally done will also include my saying that I haven't done them, have done them in the past but no longer do or that they are not total layups.

As a result, you'll find that I decline to recommend very many plays.

It has nothing to do with you. There are simply too many people who are not satisfied to accept math and will challenge mathematical facts groundlessly, and those people are not worth trying to help in their gambling endeavors. If they don't believe the math, then they are destined to do nothing but forever lose anyway---unless, and what would be a better choice for them---they do not gamble at all.

I MIGHT choose to PM you game analyses that I may or may not write for our other sites in the future, if you are interested. I will only do this if you directly request, in a public post, that I do so if I remember to do it. Please note that any such articles might represent plays that are not complete layups and come with the possibility of losing money.
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Quote: Mission146

I MIGHT choose to PM you game analyses that I may or may not write for our other sites in the future, if you are interested. I will only do this if you directly request, in a public post, that I do so if I remember to do it. Please note that any such articles might represent plays that are not complete layups and come with the possibility of losing money.

How does one use PM? Is there a tab or something easy that provides that process?

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How does one use PM? Is there a tab or something easy that provides that process?

tuttigym

Envelope, top right of the screen.
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