Sands Roulette

Quote: Wizard

Every time I've seen Sands roulette it was on an equal or higher limit than the double-zero game across the pit from it. It also generally had more players.

I've addressed the why question before but to repeat myself, most players don't really care what the rules are. They just want to play at a level they are comfortable with. My mother, for example, likes nickel video poker. She will play any machine with any pay table as long as the machine feels lucky to her. She might also consider other things like being out of a high-traffic zone and far from the nearest smoker. However, I don't think she even understands what the pay table has to do with the game.

But doesn't this describe the majority of today's Vegas tourists? Good debate on the numbers but I feel the majority of Vegas strip casinos realize most players don't care at low limits. And they will continue the find ways to increase the odds until the profit numbers say otherwise. Game designers can learn from this.

A man may want the waitress to be "stacked" but he surely is not going to take out a tape measure. A diner doesn't have to have the largest steak in history, just one that is reasonably satisfying. No one really needs ultra top shelf imported booze, just enough to get a buzz on and not feel that its Thunderbird or Mad Dog 2020. Expectations vary particularly as the night wears on Average players and average styles of play vary. The goal is not to win, its to have fun for a while and not loose your shirt doing it. Most players are too drunk for mathematical precision anyway and that is the way they like it.

Three zeroes are easier to judge the fairness of a property. Sands screws everyone over any way they get, so cannot damage their reputation. There just isn't any reason to be so greedy. 50% less winning, I think that's easy enough to communicate between strangers. If a casino wants a good reputation, they won't offer this. If roulette is 92% return, people will assume their slots aren't any better. People hope they're better in hl rooms, but this just screams bad odds everywhere.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

If roulette is 92% return, people will assume their slots aren't any better. People hope they're better in hl rooms, but this just screams bad odds everywhere.

I think if players are smart enough to be able to calculate roulette odds they're not playing slots in the first place.

Quote: Wizard

I think if players are smart enough to be able to calculate roulette odds they're not playing slots in the first place.

There is a big difference between being able to calculate roulette odds and actually doing so. Particularly now, it seems that people are gambling in groups. If its not a group, then atleast they are gambling in couples. Now that does not mean they are fastened at the hip but it does mean that alot is a joint decision and you know if a man wants something and his wife wants something else just who is going to win.

Now after a bit of alcohol, some festive music and some various other distractions, will there actually be someone taking out a slide rule and performing calculations.

Then of course there is the matter of performing them correctly.

Quote: Wizard

I think if players are smart enough to be able to calculate roulette odds they're not playing slots in the first place.

It's middle school math, smarts aren't the reason. The miscalculations they make are about the laws and politics, assuming too much into gambling being regulated, not knowing the only regulation that protects them is the minimum payback, which usually isn't any protection at all. As far as HL rooms, pretty obvious from YouTube videos, the slots there aren't good enough to have many neighbors playing nearby. The same thing in real life if you walk into any HL room in America seeing maybe 1 person gambling for every 100 in the casino. Just not getting much churn for people to load it up.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

It's middle school math, smarts aren't the reason.

You'd be surprised how few adults can do middle school math. Ever notice how few people can calculate 15% of a check for the tip? It seems like everyone hands me the check saying, "You're the math guy, you figure out the tip."

Quote: Wizard

You'd be surprised how few adults can do middle school math. Ever notice how few people can calculate 15% of a check for the tip? It seems like everyone hands me the check saying, "You're the math guy, you figure out the tip."

Really? Even if the check has a tip guide printed at the bottom? On the other hand, some check's tip guides are inaccurate and calculate based on the total including tax...

Quote: Wizard

You'd be surprised how few adults can do middle school math. Ever notice how few people can calculate 15% of a check for the tip? It seems like everyone hands me the check saying, "You're the math guy, you figure out the tip."

Luckily i live in nys with 8.75% sales tax (well lucky being relative) because i can just double the sales tax to arrive at the tip

Just hav to remember not to do that when outside nys

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Really? Even if the check has a tip guide printed at the bottom? On the other hand, some check's tip guides are inaccurate and calculate based on the total including tax...

My mother in law always asks, then pulls out the calculator to double check...

I say this with all sincerity. I hope that in the next ten years, all casino games, across the entire US, evolve the way of 6:5 BJ and triple zero roulette. Then I would have no desire to gamble. None.

It'll be great for operators and shareholders, too.

Evolve? Some sort of natural process?
Please check with our Fearless Leader and find approximate dates for the following:

When Black Jack or 21 was "invented" or became sufficiently widespread for it to be clearly identifiable.

When the first 6:5 nonsense showed up.

Then tell me what forces took all that time to spike an 'evolutionary event'.

Greed is not evolution.

The Evil Empire's deceit is not evolution.

Evolve? Some sort of natural process?

Are there some countries where BJ has not yet evolved to 6:5 but remains at 3:2 or some casinos where this unevolved situation persists.
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It's a matter of perspective.

If 6:5 BJ or triple zero roulette bothers anyone all that much, they should buy some CZR, LVS, or WYNN stock. Then they won't feel so bad about it.

Sure these games attract players, but they're not the demographic the casinos really want, because these people tend to be less educated, earn less, spend less and will make fewer casino visits overtime. This demographic will come out as group, and pool their money to place a few bets while drinking and standing around to chat. They're not there to really gamble.
They're there for the party and beer.

Meanwhile the real gamblers...the demographic the casino really wants (the group that remembers a time when they didn't have to pay for parking) is alienated by the changing rules, the lines to exit the parking garage, and having to walk to far. Vegas is less appealing.

Now appearing at Planet Hollywood and NYNY.

https://vitalvegas.com/triple-zero-roulette-debuts-planet-hollywood-new-york-new-york-everything-ruined/

Hard to be mad when I would never even play double 0 roulette. The ones who play won't care and will appreciate the lower table minimums. Just part of the overall trend toward higher house edges, but even with the proliferation of 6:5 BJ, you can still find 3:2 in many places. You might have to pay a bit more, but such is life. I feel like table minimums don't rise with inflation anyway, but I have a pretty short-term view of things in the big picture. Would like to see some research on this actually.

I think I've played a total of 2 spins at single-zero roulette in my life. Once was at the Mirage when a friend asked me to put $10 on black before I left for my Vegas trip. I decided to give him the benefit of a lower house edge and banked the other $15 myself (table min was $25). I won the spin and when I gave him the $10 he said he was joking the whole time. El oh el!!

Other time was at a tiny casino in Prague, Czechia. Can't be sure that it was single zero, but I'm guessing since I was in Europe. I made an even-money bet with the last of my chips from Blackjack and lost.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Now appearing at Planet Hollywood and NYNY.

https://vitalvegas.com/triple-zero-roulette-debuts-planet-hollywood-new-york-new-york-everything-ruined/

So that article says triple 0 roulette will make your money last LONGER if you are basically only betting the minimum, because even though the house edge is higher, the triple 0 tables have a lower minimum bet, which counteracts that. So, I can see how a triple 0 would be appealing to casual players and low-rollers at roulette. I could see myself playing this at very low minimums.

Quote: TigerWu

So that article says triple 0 roulette will make your money last LONGER if you are basically only betting the minimum, because even though the house edge is higher, the triple 0 tables have a lower minimum bet, which counteracts that. So, I can see how a triple 0 would be appealing to casual players and low-rollers at roulette. I could see myself playing this at very low minimums.

I won't even play single 0 roulette for low minimums.