Wizard
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October 8th, 2014 at 4:36:29 PM permalink
As you may know from the Bonus Poker game with 101.41% return thread, I'm doing a review of Wager Gaming Technology software.

One of their games is Dazzling Dice. It is a simple game of luck involving 25 poker dice.

As always when I write a new page, I let you guys see it first, in the hopefully return of good comments, questions, and corrections.

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miplet
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October 8th, 2014 at 4:44:28 PM permalink
Just one error:
3. TwelveTwenty-five poker dice will be rolled and arranged in a five by five matrix.
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Wizard
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October 8th, 2014 at 5:40:46 PM permalink
Also, I just did a very similar page on Poker Dice.
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Ayecarumba
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October 8th, 2014 at 6:27:04 PM permalink
Pays are based on the highest win, no? (e.g., you don't get paid for a four of a kind and the three of a kind it contains too).

Is the calculation of the permutations at all affected by the fact that the die in the middle must/can be used by multiple lines? Or that any other die will appear in at least two other lines?

EDIT: It appears that pays have to start on an edge. Line 11 in your example has a three of a kind that is not hightlighted. Has that been factored in?
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ThatDonGuy
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October 8th, 2014 at 6:33:34 PM permalink
I should know the answer to this, but I don't, so I'll leave it up to the real statistics-heads around here:

If you play 6 lines, is the overall ER the same as if you only played 1 (or, for that matter, any number from 2 through 5) lines?

I realize that the ER for just line 6 is the same as for any other line, but does the fact that each die in line 6 also appears in one of lines 1-5 affect the overall ER?
EDIT: In the 625 ways to throw the 25 dice, each of the 7776 ways to throw the 5 dice on line 6 (the center column) comes up 620 times, so the ER for 6 - or any other, for that matter - lines is the same as the ER for 1.
ThatDonGuy
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October 8th, 2014 at 6:34:45 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

EDIT: It appears that pays have to start on an edge. Line 11 in your example has a three of a kind that is not hightlighted. Has that been factored in?

There's no 3 of a kind on line 11; the dice are K - 9 - 9 - 10 - A
tringlomane
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October 8th, 2014 at 6:56:45 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

There's no 3 of a kind on line 11; the dice are K - 9 - 9 - 10 - A

Poor dice design, imo.
beachbumbabs
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October 8th, 2014 at 8:29:47 PM permalink
Very good page on the poker dice. All questions I had in the play and paytable were answered.

I'm interested in your answer to optimal number of lines to play from above, and that center die being so important; I would think it's "no difference", but wouldn't be the first time I didn't see something.

There's a typo in the Math Problem section: FiveH should be Five.
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ThatDonGuy
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October 9th, 2014 at 6:46:19 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I'm interested in your answer to optimal number of lines to play from above, and that center die being so important; I would think it's "no difference", but wouldn't be the first time I didn't see something.

I don't think there is an "optimal" number of lines. As I said in my (edited after your post) first post above, there are 625 ways to throw the 25 dice, and for any particular line, each of the 7776 ways of throwing those five dice occurs 620 times, so the overall ER is going to be the same regardless of the number of lines played.

True, the center die is in four lines, but look at it from the perspective of only lines 1-4 being in play and the middle die in each column being the same. Since each of the 6 faces is still equally likely to be the middle die, the overall ER will not change.
Wizard
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October 9th, 2014 at 7:10:38 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Very good page on the poker dice.

Thank you.

Quote:

I'm interested in your answer to optimal number of lines to play from above, and that center die being so important; I would think it's "no difference", but wouldn't be the first time I didn't see something.

The number of lines you bet makes "no difference."
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