Origin of 'Push'
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August 7th, 2014 at 4:57:45 PM
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A push in gambling is a tie, what's it's origin.
A gift to the mother after the baby is born
is called 'push gift', because the mother
pushed out the baby. Is it a push in gambling
because the dealer pushes the bet back?
But the dealer also pushes your winnings to
you. Why is it called a push in sports betting,
nobody pushes anything at anybody. This word
has irritated me since I heard it 35 years ago.
What's wrong with 'tie'.
A gift to the mother after the baby is born
is called 'push gift', because the mother
pushed out the baby. Is it a push in gambling
because the dealer pushes the bet back?
But the dealer also pushes your winnings to
you. Why is it called a push in sports betting,
nobody pushes anything at anybody. This word
has irritated me since I heard it 35 years ago.
What's wrong with 'tie'.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 7th, 2014 at 5:12:44 PM
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Quote: EvenBobA push in gambling is a tie, what's it's origin.
A gift to the mother after the baby is born
is called 'push gift', because the mother
pushed out the baby. Is it a push in gambling
because the dealer pushes the bet back?
But the dealer also pushes your winnings to
you. Why is it called a push in sports betting,
nobody pushes anything at anybody. This word
has irritated me since I heard it 35 years ago.
What's wrong with 'tie'.
I'm a soccer fan only during World Cup, men and Women.
My favorite term from soccer when a score ties the game, is the "the equalizer".
Wish sports broadcasters would use it here, its a great term.
When somebody doesn't believe me, I could care less. Some get totally bent out of shape when not believed. Weird. I believe very little on all forums
August 7th, 2014 at 5:52:29 PM
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Push... from a dealer pushing your bet back to you but not paying it off?
August 7th, 2014 at 5:56:24 PM
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Push....
Neither one can get past the other with a victory....they push (against each other); a stalemate.
Neither one can get past the other with a victory....they push (against each other); a stalemate.
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August 7th, 2014 at 6:04:31 PM
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Quote: PaigowdanPush....
Neither one can get past the other with a victory....they push (against each other); a stalemate.
We can reverse engineer the origin, the dealer
pushes your bet back, they push against each
other. There has to be an origin, however. It
had to come from somewhere.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 7th, 2014 at 6:07:23 PM
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This site: http://etymonline.com is god for questions like that but unfortunately it does not give the etymology of that usage of the word "push". It may not have common enough usage.
August 7th, 2014 at 6:09:00 PM
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"push" shares its origin with "felt" perhaps that is where it comes from. Since you don't get paid when there is a tie, there is only empty felt.
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August 7th, 2014 at 6:11:20 PM
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Understand you want the etymology. However, if you're a BJ trainer, decades ago, you say to a new dealer, "When the bet ties, push the money out of the bet circle back to the player." And then you nag the new dealer when it happens during monitored play. "Push the bet back". Soon shortened to "Push". Even though these days, it's a knock and the bet stays, when they trained me 30+ years ago, we physically pushed the bet back to the player.
So that's what I think happened.
I have a very funny but slightly obscene story about a similar training technique from ATC. One of these days I'll tell it. :)
So that's what I think happened.
I have a very funny but slightly obscene story about a similar training technique from ATC. One of these days I'll tell it. :)
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
August 7th, 2014 at 6:16:06 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabs"Push the bet back". Soon shortened to "Push". :)
It's also called a push in sports betting, and
there's no felt to push anything back on. I
think the origin is elsewhere.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 7th, 2014 at 6:20:05 PM
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Maybe it's because they push your original wager back to you
August 7th, 2014 at 6:22:13 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIt's also called a push in sports betting, and
there's no felt to push anything back on. I
think the origin is elsewhere.
But it might have started in table games and moved over.
August 7th, 2014 at 6:26:57 PM
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From what I'm reading, I have a tendency to agree
with what Dan said. The bet money has a force connected
to it, and when the bet is over and it's a tie, the players
money is pushing to win against the casinos equal push
to win, and they cancel each other out. A pushing contest
that ends in a draw, so they called it a 'push'.
with what Dan said. The bet money has a force connected
to it, and when the bet is over and it's a tie, the players
money is pushing to win against the casinos equal push
to win, and they cancel each other out. A pushing contest
that ends in a draw, so they called it a 'push'.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 7th, 2014 at 8:33:59 PM
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I'd say probably from what BBB said -- the bet is pushed out of the circle. Then later on it moved into sports betting and whatever else.
August 7th, 2014 at 9:03:19 PM
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OT, but this reminds me from a long time ago in AC. A was guy playing two spots in blackjack where one hand lost and one had won. He then says out loud, "Its a wash". Lady next to him asks what that means, lol.
August 7th, 2014 at 11:36:34 PM
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Quote: RSI'd say probably from what BBB said -- the bet is pushed out of the circle. Then later on it moved into sports betting and whatever else.
But the dealer also pushes your winnings to you.
Also, a tie isn't always a draw in some casinos,
the house wins when it's a push.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 8th, 2014 at 2:14:32 AM
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Quote: EvenBobBut the dealer also pushes your winnings to you.
Also, a tie isn't always a draw in some casinos,
the house wins when it's a push.
The dealer pushes your winnings, in blackjack, to your bet, not to you.
The thread is about the origin of the word "push", is it not? The origin of something isn't necessarily 100% accurate. It's like making the argument, "But they also push the dice to me in craps.....so why don't they call craps Push instead?"
August 8th, 2014 at 5:02:02 AM
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Quote: sodawaterMaybe it's because they push your original wager back to you
This seems like the simplest and therefore correct answer. Frankly it's what I always assumed was the reason for the term "push".
August 8th, 2014 at 11:58:35 AM
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Quote: RSThe dealer pushes your winnings
He's still pushing money at you. Why is is
called a push in sports betting, then, when
no money is pushed anywhere. There has
to be more to it than a description of the
physical action. I just read that a hundred
years ago in Britain, when everybody road
trains, when the platform was congested
and nobody could move, it was called a
'push' because it was a stalemate. Not
because they were all pushing each other,
because the forces involved were equal.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
