I started all of this when i saw the show of history chanel breaking vegas, the episode of Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo and how he won at roulette by seeking for biased roulettes.

so i did the same and went to my local casino, and start taking stats, and this is what i have after 15069 spins:

20 - 526 times

34 - 520

14 - 465

31 - 454

3 - 452

13 - 444

4 - 438

10 - 437

21 - 437

26 - 424

1 - 421

16 - 421

18 - 421

6 - 420

24 - 419

7 - 417

29 - 413

17 - 412

30 - 401

12 - 397

28 - 396

36 - 394

35 - 389

5 - 387

27 - 379

15 - 378

32 - 377

2 - 375

23 - 375

33 - 372

8 - 369

0 - 366

22 - 360

11 - 359

25 - 359

19 - 353

9 - 342

(its european so no 00)

i've been gambling the last 3 months while im taking the numbers, and i already have won about 13000 dolars, when the first day i started with about a 100, so im pretty sure this works

my question is, do i have an edge over this roullette?? what edge do i have? and what is the best way to attack this roulette with this information (actually im betting to 18 numbers)

thanks !! (sorry if my english is not perfect, its not my first lenaguage)

Did you happen to notice that the four most frequent numbers fall in the center of the two regions of the orphan's bet? I would make that bet continually, or I would put bets on the 20, 14, and 31, which are adjacent on the wheel and happen to be 3 of the four most frequent numbers.

Actually, I might also bet the 1 and 9, as those are two numbers just outside of the 20, 14 and 31 on the wheel. On the other hand, the 9 is the least frequent number of all, so I might leave that one out.

Have fun!

If you are consistently winning with this information...... go for it!!!!!

Quote:tuppI'm sure that a lot of folks here would say that 15,000 spins is too small of a sample to show any bias, but if your figures are correct, I know how I would bet.

Them folks would be wrong. It depends on the degree of the effect you are measuring.

With strongly biased numbers 15,000 spins would be more than enough to show up any bias.

Hope you get much out of that wheel ...

Join us at myrulet dot com and we might help you more about bias and advantage play ...

Cheers

Anyway, with that number of spins the average is 407.27 for each number. If you believe you have a biased wheel that will cntinue with the same bias, how about betting 3 units on the top 2 numbers, 2 units on the next 3 numbers, and 1 unit on the next 6 numbers, which is 18 units per spin, since you seemed to have been betting that much previously. Good luck!

Quote:ruleteroand i already have won about 13000 dolars, when the first day i started with about a 100, )

Are you up 13k exploiting what may be a bias or with some other play? I'll tell you if you have a biased wheel if you tell me where it at....

Bias can be due not only because of any tilt, but also track wear, milk it to the max and while you can.

Quote:ruleteroHi there, i'm new to this forum, and i have a question about what advantage can i have to a roulette that has a bias.

I started all of this when i saw the show of history chanel breaking vegas, the episode of Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo and how he won at roulette by seeking for biased roulettes.

so i did the same and went to my local casino, and start taking stats, and this is what i have after 15069 spins:

20 - 526 times

34 - 520

14 - 465

31 - 454

3 - 452

13 - 444

4 - 438

10 - 437

21 - 437

26 - 424

1 - 421

16 - 421

18 - 421

6 - 420

24 - 419

7 - 417

29 - 413

17 - 412

30 - 401

12 - 397

28 - 396

36 - 394

35 - 389

5 - 387

27 - 379

15 - 378

32 - 377

2 - 375

23 - 375

33 - 372

8 - 369

0 - 366

22 - 360

11 - 359

25 - 359

19 - 353

9 - 342

(its european so no 00)

i've been gambling the last 3 months while im taking the numbers, and i already have won about 13000 dolars, when the first day i started with about a 100, so im pretty sure this works

my question is, do i have an edge over this roullette?? what edge do i have? and what is the best way to attack this roulette with this information (actually im betting to 18 numbers)

thanks !! (sorry if my english is not perfect, its not my first lenaguage)

You said you play 18 numbers, what numbers?

Is this a real Wheel? t has some isolated strong numbers

I would play 4 to 6 numbers.

Quote:surrender88sHow did you possibly get that much data? At 1 spin per minute(an impossible pace), that's 250 hours of spins.

There are ways to get the data without just sitting there clocking.

The data on the 20 pocket suggests p=1/28.46 an edge of 26%. Assuming the data is accurate that is a definitively biased number. So is the 34 (p=1.28.97, edge of 24%).

Given the bias on these numbers some of the other numbers are probably biased too, but progressively harder to be certain without Bayesian refinements.

Of course, there's a big chance when you find a wheel bias that you just screwed up somehow collecting the data.

Image source: eofdreams.com/data_images/dreams/roulette/roulette-02.jpg

However, the wheel doesn't seem to be obviously biased to one side. Note the 4th most common number (31) is right next to the 37th (9).

Here is the data in a table, for the benefit of others.

Number | Observations |
---|---|

20 | 526 |

34 | 520 |

14 | 465 |

31 | 454 |

3 | 452 |

13 | 444 |

4 | 438 |

10 | 437 |

21 | 437 |

26 | 424 |

1 | 421 |

16 | 421 |

18 | 421 |

6 | 420 |

24 | 419 |

7 | 417 |

29 | 413 |

17 | 412 |

30 | 401 |

12 | 397 |

28 | 396 |

36 | 394 |

35 | 389 |

5 | 387 |

27 | 379 |

15 | 378 |

32 | 377 |

2 | 375 |

23 | 375 |

33 | 372 |

8 | 369 |

0 | 366 |

22 | 360 |

11 | 359 |

25 | 359 |

19 | 353 |

9 | 342 |

We wait for Ruletero to clarify how he won.

the thing is, that the casino move it because they bought another one so they have to make some space, so i think that they actually changed the bias or whatever, but i started loosing so i stoped.

these are the numbers i had when i stopped:

34 679

20 675

14 611

21 597

31 584

4 581

13 579

3 576

6 561

10 560

17 560

7 555

26 554

1 550

16 549

24 538

15 536

18 536

29 530

35 525

28 518

0 514

2 509

30 509

36 509

27 506

23 505

12 504

19 501

25 496

5 492

22 488

32 479

8 478

33 476

9 464

11 458

but a month ago i started to take numbers from scratch, this is what i have at the moment

20 212

27 193

34 188

6 178

17 176

4 175

12 169

26 169

18 168

22 163

29 163

7 161

10 158

3 154

14 153

23 153

1 152

5 152

21 151

0 150

24 149

28 149

13 144

16 144

32 142

19 141

30 139

9 138

35 136

15 135

2 133

31 133

11 130

8 129

33 123

25 121

36 121

it shows that must the good numbers are still good numbers, but something happened that numbers like 22, 12 and 27 start appearing more, and numbers like 31, 21 or 14 decreased.

i want to know how do people would attack this roullette with this information

cheers :)

If there is:

Then I'd play around with math to create probability distributions that could be +EV for a correct play. I would individually (unilateral) test the observed data against probabilities rising progressively towards that distribution. Keep the figures that are just significant and compute if you have an edge.

This is NOT standard statistics, either Bayesian or frequentist. Just dirty heuristic. Don't blame me if the results suck...

IMPORTANT ! Don't use your data while buiding winning distributions. If you do that, your test will be overconfident.

Quote:ruleterook, so here is the thing, this roulette is an electronic roulette, not an actual roulette with croupier (not a digital one, just an automatic roulette where you bet in a touch screen). so it actually has a pace of one ball por minute.

the thing is, that the casino move it because they bought another one so they have to make some space, so i think that they actually changed the bias or whatever, but i started loosing so i stoped.

these are the numbers i had when i stopped:

34 679

20 675

14 611

21 597

31 584

4 581

13 579

3 576

6 561

10 560

17 560

7 555

26 554

1 550

16 549

24 538

15 536

18 536

29 530

35 525

28 518

0 514

2 509

30 509

36 509

27 506

23 505

12 504

19 501

25 496

5 492

22 488

32 479

8 478

33 476

9 464

11 458

but a month ago i started to take numbers from scratch, this is what i have at the moment

20 212

27 193

34 188

6 178

17 176

4 175

12 169

26 169

18 168

22 163

29 163

7 161

10 158

3 154

14 153

23 153

1 152

5 152

21 151

0 150

24 149

28 149

13 144

16 144

32 142

19 141

30 139

9 138

35 136

15 135

2 133

31 133

11 130

8 129

33 123

25 121

36 121

it shows that must the good numbers are still good numbers, but something happened that numbers like 22, 12 and 27 start appearing more, and numbers like 31, 21 or 14 decreased.

i want to know how do people would attack this roullette with this information

cheers :)

At the first actuals, 19834 spins. No doubt of this wheel of bring biased.Just play 17 34 6 and 1 20 14 31

5645 spins of the 2nd data, 17 34 6 27 and 1 20 14

A confirmation.

Ruletero, as I said before I have serious doubts of this wheel.

In case it iis real you will have no problems to win a lot