Straight Edge Poker: SHFL's Response to HCF
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June 25th, 2013 at 1:48:00 PM
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From SHFL's "Wine Cellar of Games", this looks like a competing product to Galaxy's High Card Flush.
SHFL's Straight Edge Poker
I would doubt that properties would put both on the same floor as the concepts are so similar.
Battle of the Flushes vs. Battle of the Straights.....will be interesting to play both at this year's G2E and see if there is a clear winner.
No details on SEP Side Bets appear on SHFL website, potentially intentional so the game can be properly introduced at G2E. Pacman can comment on that.
I did try HCF on my last trip to WA, but stayed off the mammoth edged side bets. The game play experience was better than I expected and I did have some fun.
New lower HE pay tables for HCF side bets recently approved in WA for Galaxy and that should open the way for more installs occurring and sticking......game was holding way too high at initial site I played to last long (around 50%).
SHFL's Straight Edge Poker
I would doubt that properties would put both on the same floor as the concepts are so similar.
Battle of the Flushes vs. Battle of the Straights.....will be interesting to play both at this year's G2E and see if there is a clear winner.
No details on SEP Side Bets appear on SHFL website, potentially intentional so the game can be properly introduced at G2E. Pacman can comment on that.
I did try HCF on my last trip to WA, but stayed off the mammoth edged side bets. The game play experience was better than I expected and I did have some fun.
New lower HE pay tables for HCF side bets recently approved in WA for Galaxy and that should open the way for more installs occurring and sticking......game was holding way too high at initial site I played to last long (around 50%).
June 25th, 2013 at 2:15:30 PM
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I dind't see how many cards get dealt. A 4-card straight is not that rere in a 7-card hand.
I played a bit of High Card Flush with the icomparable PaigowDan last trip. I enjoyed it. In fact, had the weather been nicer, I'd ahve perhaps braved the trip back to PH... The only drawback is that for some reason I got into PGP mode, that is high hand-low hand. I kept putting the flush cards in the discard pile as a consequence. fortunately the dealer was very understanding and let me switch afterwards.
As to the side bets, you can bet them for $1. That's a nice compromise for the recreational gambler looking for a small thrill. And a nice way to bet for the dealer.
I played a bit of High Card Flush with the icomparable PaigowDan last trip. I enjoyed it. In fact, had the weather been nicer, I'd ahve perhaps braved the trip back to PH... The only drawback is that for some reason I got into PGP mode, that is high hand-low hand. I kept putting the flush cards in the discard pile as a consequence. fortunately the dealer was very understanding and let me switch afterwards.
As to the side bets, you can bet them for $1. That's a nice compromise for the recreational gambler looking for a small thrill. And a nice way to bet for the dealer.
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June 25th, 2013 at 2:24:12 PM
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They have 7 cards in the logo, so I assume it is a 7 card game.
As in HCF you are playing against the dealer, so the likelihood of straights occurring is similar for you and the dealer. It may make pay outs on the side bets not be as high as are available in HCF.
More details to come I am sure.
As in HCF you are playing against the dealer, so the likelihood of straights occurring is similar for you and the dealer. It may make pay outs on the side bets not be as high as are available in HCF.
More details to come I am sure.
June 25th, 2013 at 2:32:50 PM
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Quote: ParadigmThey have 7 cards in the logo, so I assume it is a 7 card game.
<blush> I should have seen that...
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June 25th, 2013 at 2:33:59 PM
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Wow, finally a game that bans smoking and drinking ;+)
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August 10th, 2013 at 7:11:57 PM
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Has anyone taken the time to verify the side bets in this game yet? The one that piques my interest is the 25:1 payout for when you have a 2-card straight or less. It would seem that the hit rate for that would be less than 1:25 (considering with a 7-card stud hand you will have hands that have full houses, 3-pairs, etc. would make for the 2-card straight being fairly likely).
Brian
Brian
August 10th, 2013 at 9:40:23 PM
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It's less than a two-card straight (i.e. a one-card straight).Quote: brianparkesHas anyone taken the time to verify the side bets in this game yet? The one that piques my interest is the 25:1 payout for when you have a 2-card straight or less. It would seem that the hit rate for that would be less than 1:25 (considering with a 7-card stud hand you will have hands that have full houses, 3-pairs, etc. would make for the 2-card straight being fairly likely).
Brian
August 11th, 2013 at 4:15:34 AM
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It seems like a fun game. Is it in Vegas anywhere?
August 11th, 2013 at 6:14:10 PM
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I just re-read the rules, and that is correct (1 card straight). My bad.
I still don't know what the hit rate for that would be, though. Would it be under 7-card straight rules somewhere on WOO?
I still don't know what the hit rate for that would be, though. Would it be under 7-card straight rules somewhere on WOO?
August 11th, 2013 at 6:18:55 PM
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Quote: brianparkesI just re-read the rules, and that is correct (1 card straight). My bad.
I still don't know what the hit rate for that would be, though. Would it be under 7-card straight rules somewhere on WOO?
Excel and I will give it our best shot tomorrow.
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August 11th, 2013 at 6:56:32 PM
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Quote: mipletExcel and I will give it our best shot tomorrow.
Good luck...I thought about it, and thought it wasn't worth it. Roger may have the answer already too...lol
August 12th, 2013 at 1:31:20 PM
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Assuming (and you know what happens when you assume) that I didn't mess up anywhere, paying 25 to 1 on 1 card straights has a house edge of 9.1185410334347% .
| Length | Combinations | Probability | 1 in |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 4676360 | 0.034954407294833 | 28.6086956521739 |
| 2 | 52485992 | 0.392317259928948 | 2.54895744373089 |
| 3 | 48239360 | 0.360574942280335 | 2.77334856847189 |
| 4 | 20189312 | 0.150909133311049 | 6.62650416220226 |
| 5 | 6436352 | 0.048109826724399 | 20.7857743019648 |
| 6 | 1544192 | 0.011542378283413 | 86.6372575431034 |
| 7 | 212992 | 0.001592052177023 | 628.1201171875 |
| Total | 133784560 | 1 |
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August 12th, 2013 at 3:42:49 PM
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And there is your answer.Quote: mipletAssuming (and you know what happens when you assume) that I didn't mess up anywhere, paying 25 to 1 on 1 card straights has a house edge of 9.1185410334347% .
Length Combinations Probability 1 in 1 4676360 0.034954407294833 28.6086956521739 2 52485992 0.392317259928948 2.54895744373089 3 48239360 0.360574942280335 2.77334856847189 4 20189312 0.150909133311049 6.62650416220226 5 6436352 0.048109826724399 20.7857743019648 6 1544192 0.011542378283413 86.6372575431034 7 212992 0.001592052177023 628.1201171875 Total 133784560 1
August 12th, 2013 at 6:10:32 PM
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You rock Miplet! Thanks for crunching those numbers for me.
September 17th, 2013 at 5:37:04 PM
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Looks like the house edge mechanism on Straight Edge Poker is the dealer getting 8 cards and players getting 7 cards. See game rules as published by the Washington State Gambling Commission here: Straight Edge Poker Rules
Not sure I like that mechanism versus a qualifying hand in High Card Flush. I think it is too obviously bad for players and one of the reasons that Crazy 4 Poker seems to have won out over Four Card Poker as the "standard" for a 4 Card Poker game.
Straight Edge does offer the "Dragon Bonus" type payout for no additional wager if you beat the dealer by 2 or more and that is built in to the base game and not an additional side bet offering (kind of like the large payouts on the Blind Bet in UTH).
Will be interesting to try out at G2E next week!
Not sure I like that mechanism versus a qualifying hand in High Card Flush. I think it is too obviously bad for players and one of the reasons that Crazy 4 Poker seems to have won out over Four Card Poker as the "standard" for a 4 Card Poker game.
Straight Edge does offer the "Dragon Bonus" type payout for no additional wager if you beat the dealer by 2 or more and that is built in to the base game and not an additional side bet offering (kind of like the large payouts on the Blind Bet in UTH).
Will be interesting to try out at G2E next week!
September 17th, 2013 at 5:51:59 PM
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Just an FYI: There are twice as many Four Card Poker tables in North America than Crazy 4 Poker tables.
September 18th, 2013 at 5:35:54 AM
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That is surprising to hear, thanks for that correction/information. Which game has had more installs over the last three years? It seems like I see Crazy 4 in more locations out West (NV, CA & WA), but maybe that isn't accurate either.
September 18th, 2013 at 6:27:07 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
