Mississippi Stud
Quote: Mikey75I've been playing the Miss Stud game here on wizards site for a few days and I'm beginning to enjoy it a lot. I remember seeing it at the casinos in Tunica but I didn't pay any attention at all to the game. Is it dealt from a shoe like blackjack? I can't really see where counting would give you much of a advantage either. Is there anything other than playing basic strategy that you could do. To get a edge over the house?
It comes from a single deck like a poker game. You can gain a small edge at a full table if you are freely allowed to collude with your neighbors (it's generally frowned upon though). Strategy modifications with neighbor collusioncan be found here:
http://discountgambling.net/mississippi-stud-ev-barona/
Bigger edges can be found if you can accurately or semi-accurately "hole card" vs. poor dealers. This means you are able to see one of the community cards ahead of time. Have something like K-8 off and can see that the dealer has a 3? Now you might want to fold instead of play. If they have an 8? Then you can look like a gambler and raise it up.
Quote: Mikey75I've been playing the Miss Stud game here on wizards site for a few days and I'm beginning to enjoy it a lot.
That's probably unfortunate. :)
Quote: Mikey75I remember seeing it at the casinos in Tunica but I didn't pay any attention at all to the game.
That is the correct basic strategy for keeping your money. Works on all carnival games.
Quote: Mikey75Is it dealt from a shoe like blackjack? I can't really see where counting would give you much of a advantage either.
Where I work we have 2 decks. 1 is in use, the other is in the shuffler. The dealer presses a button, 3 cards pop out, those are the community cards. Then 2 at a time pop out until the dealer hits the button that dumps the rest. All unused cards go in the discard tray. At most places proper etiquette is to not pick up your cards until the shuffler verifies that all cards are present and the dealer puts the unused cards in the discard tray. Also, you should only use 1 hand to hold the cards, though some places don't care as much about that. Also, they aren't poker cards, so you can't bend the hell out of them without causing future shuffler problems.
Quote: Mikey75Is there anything other than playing basic strategy that you could do. To get a edge over the house?
tringlomane covered that pretty well. The worst part, IMO, about Mississippi Stud is the money you lose chasing bad hands. The best part is the big wins from getting a good hand with a decent amount of money on the table.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyThe worst part, IMO, about Mississippi Stud is the money you lose chasing bad hands. The best part is the big wins from getting a good hand with a decent amount of money on the table.
Yeah, generally speaking I would say that. A decent bit of the game's return probably comes from a pocket pair (preferably 6s or higher) that makes quads. Of course, I have done that (quad Jacks) while playing < ~200 hands of the Wizard's practice game...lol
The game from a variance perspective is quite rough, like Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em.
Quote: dwheatleyI get bored of that game quickly. Feels too much like let-it-die to me. I mean let-it-ride.
That's because it's basically LIR in reverse. Which one players like tends to do with their way of looking at things. Some like pulling it back and making the bankroll last longer, others like stacking it up for a bigger win. Both are a good way to lose a lot of money.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyThat's because it's basically LIR in reverse.
Pretty much but LIR is a lot easier a a low roller's bankroll though. MS stud may be the swingiest table game in existence. The standard deviation for a $5 ante game is $492/100 hands. This is a lot worse than $1/$2 no limit holdem, and well as Ultimate Texas Holdem at a $5 ante ($247/100 hands), and Let It Ride at a $5 bet unit ($258.5/100 hands).
Edit: Not quick enough... :)
Quote: FourFiveFacebut this seems like one of the few games where it doesn't take that much to make most or all of your money back as long as you have a decent bankroll.
I wonder how long you'll be able to sustain that belief... :)
I have a question on the percentage of an advantage over the casino.
A player can get is 1.5% is with the condition of the game on 6 boxes?
And 1.5% is in each box, or (0.25%*6 boxes)=1,5% ?!
Tell me please, if you play optimally on 4 boxes, how much you get?
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Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI wonder how long you'll be able to sustain that belief... :)
OK, I'll admit I've lost my fair share at times, just like at any other table game. I still enjoy the game a decent amount though.
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Quote: FourFiveFaceOK, I'll admit I've lost my fair share at times, just like at any other table game. I still enjoy the game a decent amount though.
Don't get me wrong, the wins can be pretty nice and it's my 2nd favorite carnival game to deal, but I've watch guys go through thousands of dollars in a session and not win it back.
The thing about MS that makes it such a rough game is how it incites you to chase. I can't count the times I've seen someone throw away a hand that they absolutely should have thrown away only to have the community cards turn it into something awesome, which of course they don't get because they threw it away. So subsequently they chase some pretty rotten hands hoping that the community cards will turn turds into gold.
The Variance of that game is wicked, I enjoy playing the WoO MS game with some frequency, but I'd never touch it in live action.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyDon't get me wrong, the wins can be pretty nice and it's my 2nd favorite carnival game to deal, but I've watch guys go through thousands of dollars in a session and not win it back.
The thing about MS that makes it such a rough game is how it incites you to chase. I can't count the times I've seen someone throw away a hand that they absolutely should have thrown away only to have the community cards turn it into something awesome, which of course they don't get because they threw it away. So subsequently they chase some pretty rotten hands hoping that the community cards will turn turds into gold.
Even optimal strategy tells you to chase quite a few longshots. Game is just brutal variance wise; it's standard deviation is basically double of UTH w/optimal strategies.
Standard deviation for Ultimate Texas Hold'em: 4.94 antes/hand = 49.4 antes/100 hands
Standard deviation for Mississippi Stud: 9.84 antes/hand = 98.4 antes/100 hands
Quote: RogerKintIf you're having problems with variance at Mississippi Stud, go to a place that deals both UTH and MS in the same pit. Sit down at MS, strike up a casual conversation with the dealer, pick up your two cards and nonchalantly tap them on the table in a "checking" motion.
So subtly sneaky - I like it! lol
Quote: RogerKintIf you're having problems with variance at Mississippi Stud, go to a place that deals both UTH and MS in the same pit. Sit down at MS, strike up a casual conversation with the dealer, pick up your two cards and nonchalantly tap them on the table in a "checking" motion.
It would take a pretty green break-in to fall for that. The dealing procedure should eliminate the chance of that working. I have had players try that but I assumed they just weren't familiar with the game, so I just reply with, "Yeah, wouldn't that be nice, <pause> but it's bet or fold."
But from a dealing point of view I'd much rather deal MS than Let It Ride and the games are so similar you wouldn't think it would be that different, but the wins are so much nicer on MS that it's much easier to make the game fun.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyIt would take a pretty green break-in to fall for that.
My experience has been the opposite. You sound like one of the good dealers that I stay away from ;)
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyBut from a dealing point of view I'd much rather deal MS than Let It Ride and the games are so similar you wouldn't think it would be that different, but the wins are so much nicer on MS that it's much easier to make the game fun.
Also, MS seems like it would provide better tokes for the dealers.
Quote: RogerKintIf you're having problems with variance at Mississippi Stud, go to a place that deals both UTH and MS in the same pit. Sit down at MS, strike up a casual conversation with the dealer, pick up your two cards and nonchalantly tap them on the table in a "checking" motion.
The dealer would have to be a relief dealer picking up both UTH and MS Stud for that to work...that or a complete moron or barely functioning. I hope to God I never fall for that trick.
