Longevity in online casinos

Hi all,

I have a couple questions regarding longevity and player behavior in online casinos.

What is the optimal way to ensure that I keep receiving promotions from the casino?
How can I ensure that I am not shadow banned or actually banned?

What are the top actions that should be avoided to keep the casino on my good side (not withdrawing a deposit bonus immediately after receiving it for example).

I have heard that the optimal plays for online casinos are to not burn the casino over their new player deposit bonus and that way you will stay in their good graces. How can I avoid losing the casino while still gaining the deposit bonus (for instance). What are some big red flags they look for, green flags, etc..

I am lacking experience in the 'soft skills' so to speak when it comes to behavior regarding casinos.

Thanks, and cheers!

1. You must play through all deposited money at least once as an absolute bare minimum

2. The sites want you to play slots and bet parlays (if you use sports); they are less fond of huge table games bets where they are more at risk

Are you in a legal US state where you can play on regulated sites? If so, you are asking exactly the right question! Keeping your online casino accounts healthy is worth huge $$$.

For a while I was stunned that things like blackjack and video poker get 99% of the attention on this site. Then I realized that most people on here don't live in a US state where online casino gaming (from regulated sites) is legal. But for those of us in Connecticut, Delaware, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and West Virginia, it makes no sense to worry about live plays when you can simply hold your hand out and accept the massive free $$$ for the taking online.

I am hopeful that perhaps a subgroup of us in legal US states can brainstorm ideas together and share winning strategies in the future, and I invite anyone who is advantage playing online casinos to reach out to me at any time.

Thank you for the reply.

Yes I am in regulated online casinos.

I'm mainly asking so I don't burn out plays, not just for me but for everyone. One person can definitely ruin it for everyone in these scenarios.

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Thank you for the reply.

Yes I am in regulated online casinos.

I'm mainly asking so I don't burn out plays, not just for me but for everyone. One person can definitely ruin it for everyone in these scenarios.
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It's too broad of a question since every place is going to be different and things are constantly changing.

I assume you're talking about + EV situations?



If so, you're in a huge Catch-22 situation. If you take the initial sign-up bonuses, then you're giving up the majority of the EV in many situations. You'll have to weigh each scenario differently and determine if the time and effort of the long-term EV outweighs the short-term EV. If you can make $3,000 to $5,000 in a few weeks versus $10,000-$12,000 over 8 months with a lot more hours, which is actually better?

If you are finding that one person can definitely ruin it for everyone, you're probably better off getting as much money as you can money as soon as possible.

I'll give you an example, when Caesar's and many of the other places were giving huge no-loss/money-back/ freebet's, up to $5,000+ in some cases. There may be no reason to hold off on something like that, it's just too attractive, and too many people are going to be doing it. You need to jump in and hit it hard while you can. If not you, it'll be somebody else, and you'll miss the opportunity completely.

Of course, if you believe that you can make 30k- $40k throughout the year by staying in their good graces via taking smaller bonuses and boosts, Etc, then by all means, that's probably the best way to go. But the problem is, you don't really know that so you might give up an initial $5,000 in hopes that your future earnings far outweigh your immediate earnings potential.

Whatever the case, I have three words for you: cover play, cover play, cover play. You can't be afraid to put in play on -EV games like slots or square sports bets. You just have to make sure that you're not giving up a significant amount that exceeds your total EV you made on the bonuses and promotions.

When it comes down to it, for the most part, if you're winning, eventually they're probably going to tag you.
The best you can do is make them believe you're just getting lucky, and eventually they'll get back the money.

I wouldn't worry about one person ruining everything. Sports are pretty well spelled out by Dark Horse Odds, OddsJam, and others. Casino plays are kept a bit more under wraps for obvious reasons, but they haven't been quick to die off either.

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I wouldn't worry about one person ruining everything. Sports are pretty well spelled out by Dark Horse Odds, OddsJam, and others. Casino plays are kept a bit more under wraps for obvious reasons, but they haven't been quick to die off either.
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"One person" Can mean one person who has recruited a bunch of people to take advantage of the situation. Also, just one person can exploit a particular situation in such a way that they make a significant amount of money, thus alarming the casino.

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I wouldn't worry about one person ruining everything. Sports are pretty well spelled out by Dark Horse Odds, OddsJam, and others. Casino plays are kept a bit more under wraps for obvious reasons, but they haven't been quick to die off either.
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"One person" Can mean one person who has recruited a bunch of people to take advantage of the situation. Also, just one person can exploit a particular situation in such a way that they make a significant amount of money, thus alarming the casino.
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You would think so...

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Quote: goose

Thank you for the reply.

Yes I am in regulated online casinos.

I'm mainly asking so I don't burn out plays, not just for me but for everyone. One person can definitely ruin it for everyone in these scenarios.
link to original post

It's too broad of a question since every place is going to be different and things are constantly changing.

I assume you're talking about + EV situations?



If so, you're in a huge Catch-22 situation. If you take the initial sign-up bonuses, then you're giving up the majority of the EV in many situations. You'll have to weigh each scenario differently and determine if the time and effort of the long-term EV outweighs the short-term EV. If you can make $3,000 to $5,000 in a few weeks versus $10,000-$12,000 over 8 months with a lot more hours, which is actually better?

If you are finding that one person can definitely ruin it for everyone, you're probably better off getting as much money as you can money as soon as possible.

I'll give you an example, when Caesar's and many of the other places were giving huge no-loss/money-back/ freebet's, up to $5,000+ in some cases. There may be no reason to hold off on something like that, it's just too attractive, and too many people are going to be doing it. You need to jump in and hit it hard while you can. If not you, it'll be somebody else, and you'll miss the opportunity completely.

Of course, if you believe that you can make 30k- $40k throughout the year by staying in their good graces via taking smaller bonuses and boosts, Etc, then by all means, that's probably the best way to go. But the problem is, you don't really know that so you might give up an initial $5,000 in hopes that your future earnings far outweigh your immediate earnings potential.

Whatever the case, I have three words for you: cover play, cover play, cover play. You can't be afraid to put in play on -EV games like slots or square sports bets. You just have to make sure that you're not giving up a significant amount that exceeds your total EV you made on the bonuses and promotions.

When it comes down to it, for the most part, if you're winning, eventually they're probably going to tag you.
The best you can do is make them believe you're just getting lucky, and eventually they'll get back the money.
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Hi AxelWolf, thanks for the detailed reply.

Yes everything is +EV that I am targetting/referring to.

I think for sure, there are some plays that are a no brainer. No loss bet, definitely a no brainer and I would just max that one out.

There are some others, like 50% deposit matches with a lowish wagering requirement that I keep getting, and would like to continue to keep getting. I'd also like other, and more offers from them.

To me, with some of these situations, there appears to be obvious ways to maximize EV, and also more nuanced ways. The obvious ways could probably be considered bonus abuse, which is fine, except that they're obvious and will probably be noticed fairly quickly - offer removed, new term in the terms and conditions.

So the casinos would prefer slot play over table games?

And then the juicy bonuses are usually at the VIP level. So to get there, it would be best to give up some EV on slots in hopes that bonuses keep coming in, stay under the radar and help 'level up' my client status with the casino?

Is it better to play the slots fast and loose - high bet amount on the spins and just lose as quickly as possible? Any reccomendations on what % of EV is acceptable to give up? I guess I'm asking about the specifics on what cover play online entails, and what the preferences are at these casinos as far as handing out more bonuses and gaining a better client status.

I can accept that if you're an AP you'll eventually get caught and banned but I am looking to get the most juice for the squeeze.