Non payment

If this guy could prove it's not illegal for him to play there what would their excuse be? They can't pay because it's illegal for them to operate there? Why is it ok/legal for them to pay 2k but not 14k?

I assume it's a simple task to block foreign countries from playing on their website.
I often get a message saying your region is blocked from accessing this website. Online casinos can even block or allow specific game providers.

INETBET.COM has been around for over 20 years so they should have their @#%T together.

Look for yourself at some random online casinos and you will notice they have specific rules regarding Switzerland oftentimes not making them not eligible for bonuses, ramping up the wagering regierments significantly or just banning them outright. They have been and WILL knowingly accpepting players from Switzerland even though they knew/know it's a grey area at best, even after all this BS.

Has everyone made their arguments?

***I have a screenshot and video of me asking support if Switzerland is ok to deposit and play. Guess what the answer is?
No spoiler is needed here. YES, is in fact their answer. ***

I suggest the OP ask someone in Switzerland to sign up and make a $25 deposit via BTC to prove it. And quickly, before someone on the inside see this. I would do it but they would /could argue I'm not really from Switzerland and they knew/know it's a VPN.



Other brands that MAY be associated with them.
iNetBet Euro, Kudos Casino, iNet Casino, theonline.casino, PrimaPlay

It's all bullshoot I know a guy who plays regularly cashes out frequently from many different casino's
and plays from a jurisdiction where its a felony. The lesson here is don't win too much big cashouts
not only draw attention but temptation.

For those who don't want to read my entire post, this is the important part.

***I have a screenshot and video of me asking support if Switzerland is ok to deposit and play. Guess what the answer is?
No spoiler is needed here. YES, is in fact their answer. ***

Quote: AxelWolf

For those who don't want to read my entire post, this is the important part.

***I have a screenshot and video of me asking support if Switzerland is ok to deposit and play. Guess what the answer is?
No spoiler is needed here. YES, is in fact their answer. ***
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We're going to hopefully have someone with a VPN who tries to sign up because that's the only way to prove anything. Live Support is wrong all the time, so this conversation could just mean that either someone didn't update their internal list or someone answered without checking the list.

OP should try to go to a friend's house, sign up as the friend and attempt to create an account and make the smallest deposit possible.

Quote: Mission146

Quote: AxelWolf

For those who don't want to read my entire post, this is the important part.

***I have a screenshot and video of me asking support if Switzerland is ok to deposit and play. Guess what the answer is?
No spoiler is needed here. YES, is in fact their answer. ***
link to original post

We're going to hopefully have someone with a VPN who tries to sign up because that's the only way to prove anything. Live Support is wrong all the time, so this conversation could just mean that either someone didn't update their internal list or someone answered without checking the list.

OP should try to go to a friend's house, sign up as the friend and attempt to create an account and make the smallest deposit possible.
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I can just imagine this conversation!

Hi ‘friend’. How’s the wife and kids? I joined an online casino, which I now know is illegal to do here, won $14k, but they won’t give me the money. Will you sign up for an account so I can see if they allow you to?
Oh, and if they cooperate with the Swiss government to go after players who signed up even though it is illegal, I’ll pay for your legal fees?

BillHasRetired,

Thank you for the pleasant conversation!

I assure you that I have read your entire post, and it was again quite good, but as we both know where each other stand on the matter (and I don't particularly think either of us will be movable), I am only going to quote a few snippets to respond.

Quote:

Thanks for the compliment--I really appreciate it. I don't want to drag this out, but I do want to comment on your comments.

With all due respect, Mission, since i am not a lawyer and am not dispensing legal advice, my understanding of the Swiss Gaming Act is almost irrelevant. I based my conclusion on the casino.org article, quoting an authority that the law passed in 2018 incorporated a ban on patronizing foreign online casinos. Now, whether that ban comes with sanctions on individuals is irrelevant. My logic chain goes: patronize FOCs? -> you are breaking Swiss Law -> the legal machinery of the Swiss state will not help you if the FOC bones you. You're also boned if Switzerland goes after the assets of the FOC that they can reach, and those assets happen to include your account. That's what the review implies by using the term "illegal" in the quote above--the customer is also at fault.

I'm not a lawyer either, but I did manage to find the Swiss Gaming Law, so I am painstakingly running it through Google Translate, 5,000 characters at a time, and stumbled upon this:

https://www.swisslos.ch/media/en/swisslos/reglemente/geldspielgesetz.pdf

Quote:

Art. 86 Blocking access to unauthorized games
1 Access to online gambling games must be blocked if the gaming offerings are not authorized in Switzerland.
2 Only access to games whose organizers
Having their registered office or residence abroad or disguising them and those of Switzerland
are accessible from.
3 The ESBK and the intercantonal authority each maintain and update one
Blacklist regarding the offers in their area of responsibility.
4 The telecommunications service providers block access to the gaming offers that
are on one of the blacklists.
5 The ESBK and the intercantonal authority can assign a user
Allow users access to the blocked offers for supervisory or research purposes.

It would appear that iNetBet was required to block access to their games if those games are not authorized in Switzerland. Since the OP was able to access the games, iNetBet failed to keep their obligation to this aspect of the Swiss Gaming Law as the player should not have been able to access the games to begin with.

Furthermore:

Quote:

Art. 130 Crimes and misdemeanors
Any person who willfully:
a. Casino games without the necessary licenses or permits
or conducts, organizes or makes available Major Games; b. in the knowledge of the intended use, the technical means to
Organization of casino or large games available to people
that do not have the necessary concessions or permits.
2 If the offense is committed for profit or a gang, the penalty is imprisonment for up to five years or a fine of not less than 180 daily rates.
3 Any person who willfully obtains a license or permit by providing untrue information or otherwise shall be liable to a fine of up to 180 daily rates
surreptitiously

Art. 131 Violations
1 Anyone who willfully:
a. other gambling games than those listed below without the necessary permits
Article 130 paragraph 1 letter a carries out, organizes or is available
puts;
b. advertises gambling games that are not authorized in Switzerland;
c. Advertises approved cash games aimed at banned individuals
or minors;
i.e. Persons who have not reached the legal age under Article 72 paragraphs 1 and 2
have reached or are subject to a game suspension based on Article 80,
play or a win that exceeds the threshold referred to in
Article 80 paragraph 3, pays out to such persons;
e. causes a net profit that is intended for charitable purposes,
is not fully declared;
f. in the 5th chapter 4th section of this law, in the 2nd chapter of the AMLA13 and
duties of care provided for in its implementing provisions
violates money laundering;
G. fails to comply with a request from the competent authority to restore the orderly state of affairs or to remedy the situation;
H. resells participation in lotteries and sports betting for commercial purposes without the authorization of the organizers.
2 Attempt and complicity are punishable.
Art. 132 Evasion of the casino tax
Anyone who intentionally causes an assessment to be wrongly omitted or that
a legally binding assessment is incomplete, will be punished with a fine that
is no more than five times the tax evaded, up to a maximum of 500,000
francs

Okay, so it appears that the casino cannot pay out to individuals excluded pursuant to the various reasons listed in Article 80, but Article 80 would only seem to apply to operators licensed in Switzerland in the first place, which iNetBet is not.

In contrast, Article 86 clearly states that iNetBet (and all others) must block access to their games in Switzerland if they are not licensed to operate in Switzerland and Article 130 specifies the criminal penalties for offering such games.

In my reading, I could not find anything that would make it a crime for a player to actually play there, but obviously, I cannot say that there is no other law elsewhere that might cover that.

Anyway, it is not, 'Quite possible,' that the operator is violating the law; the operator was definitely violating the law, but again, they do that all the time in other jurisdictions and aren't usually so worried about it.

The protections of the state would not apply to any player playing at a casino not licensed and recognized, at least, not in most jurisdictions. How would individual states (without state regulated casinos) even theoretically go about protecting players?

Anyway, if I could figure out the laws, vis-a-vis operators, for Switzerland to figure out that:

A.) They definitely cannot operate there without a license.

AND:

B.) Are actually required to block access to their games to Swiss players.

Then, iNetBet could certainly have figured that out. This took me minutes to find and only several minutes to locate because I don't know a single word of Swiss or languages similar.

I also found this, having to do with conduct, licensing requirements, taxes, etc...

https://www.swisslos.ch/media/en/swisslos/reglemente/verordnung.pdf

Nothing in there seems particularly relevant to the player, though and anything relevant to casinos would seem to only have to do with trying to get licensed to operate one or if you already were lawfully operating one.

I can't find anything that would suggest the casino cannot pay this player.

Total Time: About 30 minutes. I refuse to believe that I am so intelligent, because I am kind of an idiot, to believe that actual casino operators could not accomplish the same on an annual basis. I determined that not only may iNetBet not operate in Switzerland, they are actually directly required to block residents of Switzerland from even accessing the games.

Crucially, I did not find anything that would indicate to me, having failed in these obligations, that they are not legally permitted to pay the player the winnings.

That's not what I was saying was bull; I'm saying putting any of the onus on the player is bull. I want to know what law they are relying upon that suggests they cannot pay the player now. I also want to know why CM believes that the player's legal duties...which I can't even find and would also like to see...supersede the website's legal duties to not even permit the player to access the games.

I don't consider them evil for operating in a fashion that is against the laws of various countries, but when you're going to do that, part of keeping players engaged and the overall protection of the industry is to deal with players fairly especially because the players have no legal protections, otherwise, it casts doubt on the industry as a whole and dissuades future players from wanting to participate.

Quote: SOOPOO

I can just imagine this conversation!

Hi ‘friend’. How’s the wife and kids? I joined an online casino, which I now know is illegal to do here, won $14k, but they won’t give me the money. Will you sign up for an account so I can see if they allow you to?
Oh, and if they cooperate with the Swiss government to go after players who signed up even though it is illegal, I’ll pay for your legal fees?
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Yeah, I was unable to find the law that actually makes it illegal for players to do that and, interestingly enough, CM did not cite it. I wonder if CM asked to actually see the relevant law. Oh, wait, I don't wonder that...I am almost positive they did not.

Quote: Mission146

Quote: AxelWolf

For those who don't want to read my entire post, this is the important part.

***I have a screenshot and video of me asking support if Switzerland is ok to deposit and play. Guess what the answer is?
No spoiler is needed here. YES, is in fact their answer. ***
link to original post

We're going to hopefully have someone with a VPN who tries to sign up because that's the only way to prove anything. Live Support is wrong all the time, so this conversation could just mean that either someone didn't update their internal list or someone answered without checking the list.

OP should try to go to a friend's house, sign up as the friend and attempt to create an account and make the smallest deposit possible.
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I have proof that their CS via live chat will tell you that you can deposit and play there from Switzerland. I'd be willing to bet people are still playing from Switzerland.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Mission146

Quote: AxelWolf

For those who don't want to read my entire post, this is the important part.

***I have a screenshot and video of me asking support if Switzerland is ok to deposit and play. Guess what the answer is?
No spoiler is needed here. YES, is in fact their answer. ***
link to original post

We're going to hopefully have someone with a VPN who tries to sign up because that's the only way to prove anything. Live Support is wrong all the time, so this conversation could just mean that either someone didn't update their internal list or someone answered without checking the list.

OP should try to go to a friend's house, sign up as the friend and attempt to create an account and make the smallest deposit possible.
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I have proof that their CS via live chat will tell you that you can deposit and play there from Switzerland. I'd be willing to bet people are still playing from Switzerland.
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I agree and would bet on the same, but what I am saying is that the Live Chat does not suffice as actual proof. We need to have proof of someone actually playing there. Live Chat gets stuff wrong all the time and they could just argue that their internal documents on that haven't been updated yet.

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: Mission146

Quote: AxelWolf

For those who don't want to read my entire post, this is the important part.

***I have a screenshot and video of me asking support if Switzerland is ok to deposit and play. Guess what the answer is?
No spoiler is needed here. YES, is in fact their answer. ***
link to original post

We're going to hopefully have someone with a VPN who tries to sign up because that's the only way to prove anything. Live Support is wrong all the time, so this conversation could just mean that either someone didn't update their internal list or someone answered without checking the list.

OP should try to go to a friend's house, sign up as the friend and attempt to create an account and make the smallest deposit possible.
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I can just imagine this conversation!

Hi ‘friend’. How’s the wife and kids? I joined an online casino, which I now know is illegal to do here, won $14k, but they won’t give me the money. Will you sign up for an account so I can see if they allow you to?
Oh, and if they cooperate with the Swiss government to go after players who signed up even though it is illegal, I’ll pay for your legal fees?
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I don't think it's illegal to do so. It's probably illegal for an offshore online casino to conduct online gambling there or something along those lines. It's simple... if they can pay him 2k, they can pay him the 14k and take measures to block anyone from Switzerland.

When you register you must select your country from a dropdown menu. They could easily remove Switzerland and other banned locations, BUT THEY HAVEN'T (I just checked).

You would think after not paying a guy 14k and claiming it's because he's not allowed to play from Switzerland, that they would immediately remove that from the dropdown list, block all Switzerland IPs and send emails to all employees and current customers telling them Switzerland is no longer allowed. But no, they are telling people, IT'S OK TO PLAY FROM SWITZERLAND.

Quote: Mission146

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Mission146

Quote: AxelWolf

For those who don't want to read my entire post, this is the important part.

***I have a screenshot and video of me asking support if Switzerland is ok to deposit and play. Guess what the answer is?
No spoiler is needed here. YES, is in fact their answer. ***
link to original post

We're going to hopefully have someone with a VPN who tries to sign up because that's the only way to prove anything. Live Support is wrong all the time, so this conversation could just mean that either someone didn't update their internal list or someone answered without checking the list.

OP should try to go to a friend's house, sign up as the friend and attempt to create an account and make the smallest deposit possible.
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I have proof that their CS via live chat will tell you that you can deposit and play there from Switzerland. I'd be willing to bet people are still playing from Switzerland.
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I agree and would bet on the same, but what I am saying is that the Live Chat does not suffice as actual proof. We need to have proof of someone actually playing there. Live Chat gets stuff wrong all the time and they could just argue that their internal documents on that haven't been updated yet.
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It's their job not to get it wrong when dealing with serious matters(Peoples money and a legal matter). If they say you can play from Switzerland then it's BS if they then screw you after the fact. No time to update? This has been going on since October. That's more than a reasonable amount of time to block IPs, remove Switzerland from the dropdown, send emails to players, and inform CS Switzerland is a no-no. They can't even do one of those things since October?

I simply said that is what they would probably argue; I'm not saying it's a good, or even reasonable, argument.

Actually having physical proof of someone playing from Switzerland with the website undoubtedly knowing the player is from Switzerland would be stronger evidence, that's all.

Quote: Mission146

Quote: AxelWolf

For those who don't want to read my entire post, this is the important part.

***I have a screenshot and video of me asking support if Switzerland is ok to deposit and play. Guess what the answer is?
No spoiler is needed here. YES, is in fact their answer. ***
link to original post

We're going to hopefully have someone with a VPN who tries to sign up because that's the only way to prove anything. Live Support is wrong all the time, so this conversation could just mean that either someone didn't update their internal list or someone answered without checking the list.

OP should try to go to a friend's house, sign up as the friend and attempt to create an account and make the smallest deposit possible.
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I suggest you learn the word "unacceptable." Here it is in a sentence.

It is UNACCEPTABLE for an internet betting site and its support staff to explicitly tell people it is okay to play from Switzerland, only to then confiscate the funds that that person then deposits on the grounds that it is not okay to play from Switzerland.

Mission, please write that sentence on the blackboard 100 times.

Quote: gordonm888

I suggest you learn the word "unacceptable." Here it is in a sentence.

It is UNACCEPTABLE for an internet betting site and its support staff to explicitly tell people it is okay to play from Switzerland, only to then confiscate the funds that that person then deposits on the grounds that it is not okay to play from Switzerland.

Mission, please write that sentence on the blackboard a 100 times.
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Since that seems to be the exact event that transpired, I'm not sure what alternative I have to accepting it. It is absolutely indefensible, but I do not have an option whether or not to accept that it is, in fact, the case.

Quote: Mission146

I simply said that is what they would probably argue; I'm not saying it's a good, or even reasonable, argument.

Actually having physical proof of someone playing from Switzerland with the website undoubtedly knowing the player is from Switzerland would be stronger evidence, that's all.
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Evidence of what and how will it help? The evidence is clear to me. He unfairly got screwed out of 14k and they used a sleazy way to do it. There's zero chance people haven't been depositing and playing from Switzerland, perhaps cashing out as well. Who knows if this is the first time they pulled this stunt?

Perhaps they will block banned countries now, but I give that a low chance of actually happening.



Here's what will happen. Swept under the rug and eventually buried in a sea of other complaints(you have to go to the complaints section and search)

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Since then, we have worked together ensuring players get the best treatment, and if any issues pop up – like they do sometimes – that the problems are solved fairly and and succinctly. We rarely receive complaints about iNetBet. They know what they are doing. iNetbet has been in operation for two decades with the same ownership, and their managerial staff are top notch. I would recommend them to my best of friends.

Casinomeister "They know what they are doing"

Apparently not, or this guy wouldn't have been able to signup, deposit(more than once?), and get F'ed out of 14k.

I take that back, they just saved 14k by screwing someone. They do know what they are doing.

Quote: Mission146

Quote: gordonm888

I suggest you learn the word "unacceptable." Here it is in a sentence.

It is UNACCEPTABLE for an internet betting site and its support staff to explicitly tell people it is okay to play from Switzerland, only to then confiscate the funds that that person then deposits on the grounds that it is not okay to play from Switzerland.

Mission, please write that sentence on the blackboard a 100 times.
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Since that seems to be the exact event that transpired, I'm not sure what alternative I have to accepting it. It is absolutely indefensible, but I do not have an option whether or not to accept that it is, in fact, the case.
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It is not only "indefensible," but as a moral person on am internet gambling forum you should have the opinion that it is UNACCEPTABLE. Preferably written in upper case letters.

You have been mewling and puking on this Non Payment thread for almost 6 pages now and I have been searching every word you have posted trying to understand what standards you have and what you consider to be unacceptable behavior on the part of an internet gambling site. Why do you express a sense of moral outrage about so many things on this forum but shrug off behavior by internet gambling sites that so many of us consider to be outrageously frigging unacceptable? Why do you express purple contempt for a person who claims he saw 18 yos but apologize for a casino that wrongfully (and gleefully) confiscates 18,000 dollars from a gambler when they try to withdraw it? Whose money was that?

Throughout this thread, you just seem to be falling and falling and falling. Will you ever hit bottom? Do you have no bottom?

If someone can find Swiss players that cashed out, it would seal the deal. Perhaps we will find some Swiss who got screwed as well.

Quote: Gordonm888

It is not only "indefensible," but as a moral person on am internet gambling forum you should have the opinion that it is UNACCEPTABLE. Preferably written in upper case letters.

You have been mewling and puking on this Non Payment thread for almost 6 pages now and I have been searching every word you have posted trying to understand what standards you have and what you consider to be unacceptable behavior on the part of an internet gambling site. Why do you express a sense of moral outrage about so many things on this forum but shrug off behavior by internet gambling sites that so many of us consider to be outrageously frigging unacceptable? Why do you express purple contempt for a person who claims he saw 18 yos but apologize for a casino that wrongfully (and gleefully) confiscates 18,000 dollars from a gambler when they try to withdraw it? Whose money was that?

Throughout this thread, you just seem to be falling and falling and falling. Will you ever hit bottom? Do you have no bottom?

I think you are the one who needs to understand the definition of unacceptable, so let me help with that a little:

Google would have it as, "Not satisfactory or allowable."

If you are asking whether or not I am SATISFIED with that result, then no, I do NOT FIND THIS RESULT SATISFACTORY.

If you are asking whether or not I think it is allowable, then I would ask you, even if I didn't, what do you propose I do about it?

Do you want me to visit iNetBet's headquarters and personally force them to pay this player? Also, how would I go about forcing them?

I do not have a choice whether or not to allow this because I have nothing to do with it. I have said it is INDEFENSIBLE and I have called CM a bunch of @$$holes, so I don't know what else you could possibly be expecting me to do.

My STANDARDS are they allowed the player to play, so they should pay the player. I don't know what would lead you to believe otherwise.

Also, I don't see what need there is for the last questions that you pose to me as I would like to think my position on this has been quite clear, but perhaps words in ALL CAPS are required so that you understand what is written. Should I go back and edit all of my posts?

I have researched the laws to a reasonable extent and have found nothing that would suggest the player played unlawfully. I have found laws that point to the casino is committing a crime by letting the player play, and also, that the casino is supposed to block Switzerland from even accessing the games, pursuant to Swiss law.

What have you researched? Nothing. I have done all of this for free. Why don't you try doing something other than making insulting posts?

Quote: billryan

If someone can find Swiss players that cashed out, it would seal the deal. Perhaps we will find some Swiss who got screwed as well.
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Yeah, I asked that a few pages back...not that Gordonm888 would have noticed, but I wondered if iNetBet has at least refunded ALL DEPOSITS to ALL SWISS PLAYERS retroactive to 2018.

Did the caps help you, buddy? How's the eyesight? Maybe that's the problem with the lower-case, I don't know.

I also wrote an article that directly stated the casino is in the wrong and should pay the player. I guess not enough words in ALL CAPS.

I WILL WORK ON THAT, OKAY?

From the article:

Quote:

This player then hit a 17k random jackpot and would ultimately attempt to withdraw an amount of 14k. The casino declined the withdrawal request, the player complained via one of our competing websites and the player received a refund of their deposit (which may have predated the complaint to the competing website) and was offered a settlement of $2,000, which the player declined.

Both the affiliate website (this is on the record), and the casino, represent that the casino cannot pay the full amount because it would be in violation of that country’s laws. Of course, one immediately has to ask: Then why wouldn’t it be illegal for the casino to offer $2,000?

Obviously, it’s not, so one must assume that the casino could, theoretically, pay any amount they wanted to less than the withdrawal request.

That leaves the general question of: To what degree should the player be held responsible for playing in an unlawful location? In my opinion, the only way the player should ever be held accountable for that is if their area is on the casino’s restricted list. I do not believe that a player should have to research all of their country’s laws just to know where they may or may not play.

Besides that, virtually every offshore casino that is operating in the United States is doing so unlawfully, as most states (perhaps all) have some law in place that does not permit operators to offer an online casino within that state. This page I wrote for Wizard of Odds might be a bit dated, but goes into the laws for individual states. I’ll probably need to rewrite that soon.

Quote:

An example of this was iNetBet not restricting a country’s access, or even having it on the restricted list, or their representative even noticing that the player was playing from a restricted country, then pinning it on the player for not following their own country’s laws. “Well, it’s true that we were illegally offering you our product, but that’s YOUR FAULT!”

Come on, man. The worst part is that this sort of thing makes it more difficult for players to trust any online casino, so it makes me question whether or not the 14k (less the deposit that they did refund) is really worth the loss to future revenues that the entire industry might experience as a result of this nonsense. I would think that online casinos can at least be expected to have a duty of care to have restricted countries, you know, on the restricted list.

In my opinion, my position could not possibly be more clear.

Thanks for the support and checking. I am here reading and hopefully somebody with the power to help will make them pay . I am optimistic and believe maybe later on in my life good things will happen and some senior management there will decide to pay me after pressure from people in the industry

It is obvious they still have active players from my country, it is obvious they just did a trick here not to pay and didn't really ban swiss players or refund their deposit or ban them from registering. They also accept Australian and terms won't mentioned them while everybody know the laws in Australia against online gambling that is not licensed in the country.

They also didn't return the jackpot to the pool because their aim was to steal the money and not to give it to another player

Quote: utanfu2

Thanks for the support and checking. I am here reading and hopefully somebody with the power to help will make them pay . I am optimistic and believe maybe later on in my life good things will happen and some senior management there will decide to pay me after pressure from people in the industry
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Just keep doing what you're doing and try to get the conversation going on every internet forum you can find where it is, at least, on topic. I don't know how much it would help, but you could also try submitting a formal complaint to every jurisdiction in which iNetBet is legally operating as well as a complaint to your own authorities.

Of course, that might get you blacklisted from online casinos, but that's of no real consequence unless you are an advantage player.

The more people who read your story, the greater the likelihood that someone with the capacity to help will see it and do something for you. Hopefully, with enough eyes on it, iNetBet will want to limit the damage to its reputation as much as possible and decide to pay you.

EDIT TO ADD: Also, you are welcome. Apologies for neglecting to add that originally, Gordon's post has me more than a little irritated.

I was very disappointed to see Casinomeister still give them the accredited sealed and blaming me with all sort of things in order to get rid of me from his forum because it gives Inetbet bad publicity. Casinomeister claims to be a fair advocate, is that fair ? it is the opposite of being fair.

Quote: utanfu2

It is obvious they still have active players from my country, it is obvious they just did a trick here not to pay and didn't really ban swiss players or refund their deposit or ban them from registering. They also accept Australian and terms won't mentioned them while everybody know the laws in Australia against online gambling that is not licensed in the country.

They also didn't return the jackpot to the pool because their aim was to steal the money and not to give it to another player
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I would get evidence that Swiss players are still actively playing there, that new players can register and take it back to CM if they are still willing to talk to you.

Quote: utanfu2

I was very disappointed to see Casinomeister still give them the accredited sealed and blaming me with all sort of things in order to get rid of me from his forum because it gives Inetbet bad publicity. Casinomeister claims to be a fair advocate, is that fair ? it is the opposite of being fair.
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It's absolutely not fair and is mostly just CM demonstrating what I already believed about them.

I THINK THAT WHAT INETBET PERPETRATED UPON THIS PLAYER IS, QUITE PROBABLY, THE BIGGEST LOAD OF FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN WITH RESPECT TO ONLINE CASINOS AND THAT THE CM REPRESENTATIVES ARE A BUNCH OF BOOT-LICKING CASINO TOADYS!!!!

Okay, Gordon?

Now, Gordon, I want you to give me a three day Suspension on the grounds of profanity. You, personally. I do not want anyone else to hit the button or announce the Suspension.

Quote: utanfu2

I was very disappointed to see Casinomeister still give them the accredited sealed and blaming me with all sort of things in order to get rid of me from his forum because it gives Inetbet bad publicity. Casinomeister claims to be a fair advocate, is that fair ? it is the opposite of being fair.
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If this was just regular or fly-by-night casino I don't think it would've really gained any traction, it would've been a sorry to hear that, that really sucks, live and learn situation.

This casino is supposed to be one of the good ones and they absolutely know better. Casinomeister knows better and they should be slamming the casino for this behavior, not keeping them on their accredited list with glowing reviews.

That's why online casinos get away with BS like this...The affiliates don't stop doing business with them unless they are totally rouge.

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I THINK THAT WHAT INETBET PERPETRATED UPON THIS PLAYER IS, QUITE PROBABLY, THE BIGGEST LOAD OF FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN WITH RESPECT TO ONLINE CASINOS AND THAT THE CM REPRESENTATIVES ARE A BUNCH OF BOOT-LICKING CASINO TOADYS!!!!

Okay, Gordon?

Now, Gordon, I want you to give me a three day Suspension on the grounds of profanity. You, personally. I do not want anyone else to hit the button or announce the Suspension.
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And this sir, is why I have much respect for you.

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Quote: Mission146

I THINK THAT WHAT INETBET PERPETRATED UPON THIS PLAYER IS, QUITE PROBABLY, THE BIGGEST LOAD OF FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN WITH RESPECT TO ONLINE CASINOS AND THAT THE CM REPRESENTATIVES ARE A BUNCH OF BOOT-LICKING CASINO TOADYS!!!!

Okay, Gordon?

Now, Gordon, I want you to give me a three day Suspension on the grounds of profanity. You, personally. I do not want anyone else to hit the button or announce the Suspension.
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And this sir, is why I have much respect for you.
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Thank you! That's very nice of you to say!

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I also wrote an article that directly stated the casino is in the wrong and should pay the player. I guess not enough words in ALL CAPS.

I WILL WORK ON THAT, OKAY?
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We won't be satisfied unless you chain yourself to a tree outside the head of Inetbet and Casinomisters homes in protest and demand payment.

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Could they settle for half? $5,000? Seems like it.

I don’t know why the 2k is the first and last offer, necessarily.

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Haha! They nailed iNetBet to the cross on that point! It doesn't even say that you can't play from an existing account and Switzerland wasn't listed to begin with.

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Why the hell couldn't they? They are basically saying that it is unreasonable for them to be asked to know where they are, or are not, allowed to operate. That argument makes no sense.

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Also, why they are so concerned with players breaking jurisdictional laws when they break jurisdictional laws themselves, knowingly, I might add, all the time!

I'm also curious as to whether or not they refunded all players from Switzerland, assuming they had any others.

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iNetBet was absolutely dishonest; if they can pay you 2k, then they can pay you 14k...

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Oh yeah, CM staff are totally fellating the casino on this one. Either that, or they're bending over for the casino and taking it right in the you know where; you pick which of the two actions you prefer for them to be doing. That's not unexpected behavior for CM to engage in, from my perspective and just in my own opinion, which may not be the opinion of Wizard, LCB or any of the LCB family of websites.

There's NO REASONABLE WAY this event could ever be construed as your fault, so that argument is totally ridiculous. There's no question that CM is totally selling out for the casino on this one, but that doesn't come as much of a surprise. I still don't think CM should, personally, pay you 14k because the casino should pay that.

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So, iNetBet suddenly realizes that they can't offer services in your country and decides not to pay you. They also claim they can't be held to account to know what countries they can or cannot legally operate in---which is hilarious. They almost certainly knew they can't operate there, so they got out of paying a jackpot is what they did.

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In contrast, if iNetBet operators set foot in the country of Switzerland, in theory, they could be arrested and would end up doing prison time.

With that, you have a player who is, quite probably, not actually violating the law and you have an operator who is committing an action subject to possible imprisonment, except they are out of the jurisdictional reach for arrest. Of the two, who should have a better understanding of the law to know what Switzerland may or may not do?

Also, why should players be subject to knowing the law and not casinos? iNetBet DID know the law, in my opinion, and selectively pointed to the law in order to save themselves 14k in a country where they probably don't get a whole lot of business anymore. Do you REALLY think iNetBet cares about the fact that they were operating in Switzerland contrary to Swiss laws? Of course they don't. They operate in a lot of countries contrary to the laws of those countries.

I don't know how anyone could possibly doubt my position on this issue.

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:Select Quotes of Mine from Elsewhere in this Thread:

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Could they settle for half? $5,000? Seems like it.

I don’t know why the 2k is the first and last offer, necessarily.

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Haha! They nailed iNetBet to the cross on that point! It doesn't even say that you can't play from an existing account and Switzerland wasn't listed to begin with.

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Why the hell couldn't they? They are basically saying that it is unreasonable for them to be asked to know where they are, or are not, allowed to operate. That argument makes no sense.

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Also, why they are so concerned with players breaking jurisdictional laws when they break jurisdictional laws themselves, knowingly, I might add, all the time!

I'm also curious as to whether or not they refunded all players from Switzerland, assuming they had any others.

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iNetBet was absolutely dishonest; if they can pay you 2k, then they can pay you 14k...

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Oh yeah, CM staff are totally fellating the casino on this one. Either that, or they're bending over for the casino and taking it right in the you know where; you pick which of the two actions you prefer for them to be doing. That's not unexpected behavior for CM to engage in, from my perspective and just in my own opinion, which may not be the opinion of Wizard, LCB or any of the LCB family of websites.

There's NO REASONABLE WAY this event could ever be construed as your fault, so that argument is totally ridiculous. There's no question that CM is totally selling out for the casino on this one, but that doesn't come as much of a surprise. I still don't think CM should, personally, pay you 14k because the casino should pay that.

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So, iNetBet suddenly realizes that they can't offer services in your country and decides not to pay you. They also claim they can't be held to account to know what countries they can or cannot legally operate in---which is hilarious. They almost certainly knew they can't operate there, so they got out of paying a jackpot is what they did.

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In contrast, if iNetBet operators set foot in the country of Switzerland, in theory, they could be arrested and would end up doing prison time.

With that, you have a player who is, quite probably, not actually violating the law and you have an operator who is committing an action subject to possible imprisonment, except they are out of the jurisdictional reach for arrest. Of the two, who should have a better understanding of the law to know what Switzerland may or may not do?

Also, why should players be subject to knowing the law and not casinos? iNetBet DID know the law, in my opinion, and selectively pointed to the law in order to save themselves 14k in a country where they probably don't get a whole lot of business anymore. Do you REALLY think iNetBet cares about the fact that they were operating in Switzerland contrary to Swiss laws? Of course they don't. They operate in a lot of countries contrary to the laws of those countries.

I don't know how anyone could possibly doubt my position on this issue.
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I have to doubt your position until you give him 14k.

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I have to doubt your position until you give him 14k.
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Do you have 14k I can borrow for...um...awhile?

(Edited, for now.)

Let's see if Gordon tries to walk back his post first...then I will decide. The best thing he can do is, preferably, to give me the three day Suspension and never speak directly to me again as long as we both post on this site or live.

I have it on good authority that they offered him 1 BTC to settle this. But he took Billy’s advice and did not accept it!







TEASING!

Bottom line, however you/we/WoV lists casinos as ‘rogue’ this one needs to be added to that list. (Assuming the OP’s claims can be verified).
And AXEL, it is ‘rogue’, not ‘rouge’, unless you are discussing the color of the casino!

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I have it on good authority that they offered him 1 BTC to settle this. But he took Billy’s advice and did not accept it!

TEASING!

Bottom line, however you/we/WoV lists casinos as ‘rogue’ this one needs to be added to that list. (Assuming the OP’s claims can be verified).
And AXEL, it is ‘rogue’, not ‘rouge’, unless you are discussing the color of the casino!
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For the record, this is absolutely not my call and I have no input on that matter, but my decision would be to list them as rogue unless they pay the player in full, less one penny, just in case there is some obscure law that actually would legally prohibit them from paying the full amount.

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I have to doubt your position until you give him 14k.
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Do you have 14k I can borrow for...um...awhile?
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Ill send it to you Via AxelWolf coin.

Everyone should be advised our sister site LCB.org has a mediation service here. We prefer and suggest any player with an axe to grind give that a try first. LCB may have declined to get involved, since the player took it through Casino Meister first; I don't know.

Please be advised of this very important service we offer and our policy to use it as a step before making a grievance public.

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I THINK THAT WHAT INETBET PERPETRATED UPON THIS PLAYER IS, QUITE PROBABLY, THE BIGGEST LOAD OF FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN WITH RESPECT TO ONLINE CASINOS AND THAT THE CM REPRESENTATIVES ARE A BUNCH OF BOOT-LICKING CASINO TOADYS!!!!

Okay, Gordon?

Now, Gordon, I want you to give me a three day Suspension on the grounds of profanity. You, personally. I do not want anyone else to hit the button or announce the Suspension.
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Well, okay, I will be the one who suspends you 3 days for profanity.

I regret provoking you into this. I think my post was too harsh and a bit unfair and I am sorry for that. You consistently hold yourself to very high ethical standards and while I have been puzzled by the tone of your posts on this subject I should have found a different way to express myself.

I will self-suspend for three days and join you in the 'phantom zone,' because (as we all know) moderators are held to a higher standard. I shouldn't be attacking our members in this way. I'm sorry.

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Quote: Mission146

I THINK THAT WHAT INETBET PERPETRATED UPON THIS PLAYER IS, QUITE PROBABLY, THE BIGGEST LOAD OF FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN WITH RESPECT TO ONLINE CASINOS AND THAT THE CM REPRESENTATIVES ARE A BUNCH OF BOOT-LICKING CASINO TOADYS!!!!

Okay, Gordon?

Now, Gordon, I want you to give me a three day Suspension on the grounds of profanity. You, personally. I do not want anyone else to hit the button or announce the Suspension.
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Well, okay, I will be the one who suspends you 3 days for profanity.

I regret provoking you into this. I think my post was too harsh and a bit unfair and I am sorry for that. You consistently hold yourself to very high ethical standards and while I have been puzzled by the tone of your posts on this subject I should have found a different way to express myself.

I will self-suspend for three days and join you in the 'phantom zone,' because (as we all know) moderators are held to a higher standard. I shouldn't be attacking our members in this way. I'm sorry.
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Boss level move gordon. Take notes folks.

Unfairness regarding Casino's lights Mission up.
Another thing that lights him up is when he goes to great effort to help someone understand something and they can't or won't.

I can confirm LCB are trying to help me to be paid and I thank them for that no matter what the results

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Quote: Mission146

I THINK THAT WHAT INETBET PERPETRATED UPON THIS PLAYER IS, QUITE PROBABLY, THE BIGGEST LOAD OF FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN WITH RESPECT TO ONLINE CASINOS AND THAT THE CM REPRESENTATIVES ARE A BUNCH OF BOOT-LICKING CASINO TOADYS!!!!

Okay, Gordon?

Now, Gordon, I want you to give me a three day Suspension on the grounds of profanity. You, personally. I do not want anyone else to hit the button or announce the Suspension.
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Well, okay, I will be the one who suspends you 3 days for profanity.

I regret provoking you into this. I think my post was too harsh and a bit unfair and I am sorry for that. You consistently hold yourself to very high ethical standards and while I have been puzzled by the tone of your posts on this subject I should have found a different way to express myself.

I will self-suspend for three days and join you in the 'phantom zone,' because (as we all know) moderators are held to a higher standard. I shouldn't be attacking our members in this way. I'm sorry.
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That is two members that feel that Gordon attacked them in just over a week. Are we seeing a trend?

because you should respect each other and still respect others less by speaking categorically and using profanity

Interestingly enough, Inetbet has moved up in the ranks as of late, heck it's 3rd from the top on LCB's player-ranked USA list.


If this person is to be believed this isn't the first time someone seems to have had an issue with understanding what country you can play from.

"China26
United States 3 months ago

1.2 / 5

At first it said it was USA okay but when it came to withdrawal they told me that USA wasn’t allowed but it’s okay for those who can play here I won big quick so I hope y’all have the same luck as i"

The people at Inetbet are charlatan and I hope they will be blacklisted at LCB.ORG soon or hopefully be threaten to be blacklisted and pay my winnings.

It is not because I am selfish and want my winnings, I really believe they should be blacklisted for what they did even when I try to be objective on the matter

As state-regulated casinos expand across the country, I give my opinions on what offshore casinos have to do if they ever want to compete:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/what-offshore-online-casinos-need-to-do/

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Well, okay, I will be the one who suspends you 3 days for profanity.

I regret provoking you into this. I think my post was too harsh and a bit unfair and I am sorry for that. You consistently hold yourself to very high ethical standards and while I have been puzzled by the tone of your posts on this subject I should have found a different way to express myself.

I will self-suspend for three days and join you in the 'phantom zone,' because (as we all know) moderators are held to a higher standard. I shouldn't be attacking our members in this way. I'm sorry.
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I'm still not terribly happy with what your post said, but I accept your apology.

My goal of maintaining a neutral tone was to speak about this issue in a mature and objective way while still making clear that iNetBet is absolutely in the wrong on this issue, at least, in my opinion.